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Old 01-07-2017, 03:58 PM
 
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As others have said, sales taxes are regressive. Get rid of the deductions and tax capital gains the as income.
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Old 01-07-2017, 04:00 PM
 
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As others have said, sales taxes are regressive. Get rid of the deductions and tax capital gains the as income.
Get rid of the step up basis loophole no reason that form of income gets a free pass.
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Old 01-07-2017, 04:44 PM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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Single flat rate income tax across the board. No deductions, no loopholes, no excuses. IIRC around 12% is the break even point.
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Old 01-07-2017, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Eliminate all income and capital gains taxes, as well as businesses taxes. People shouldn't be "punished" for earning a living or creating jobs. Shift everything to sales tax. The people that make the most, still spend the most and therefore contribute the most. And everyone contributes-even criminal aliens working "under the table" and those making money off drugs or other criminal means.
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Old 01-07-2017, 06:12 PM
 
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Eliminate all income and capital gains taxes, as well as businesses taxes. People shouldn't be "punished" for earning a living or creating jobs. Shift everything to sales tax. The people that make the most, still spend the most and therefore contribute the most. And everyone contributes-even criminal aliens working "under the table" and those making money off drugs or other criminal means.
So what about the businesses that pay for houses, rent, cars, vacations, etc for their owners ?

You do know that most millionaires are sitting behind multiple LLCs that exist primarily for shielding them (and their money) from tax and liability.
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Old 01-07-2017, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Austin
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I support a value added tax, a VAT, always have. I also want all citizens paying federal income tax regardless of income. The 47% not paying a dime should be required to pay a portion of their income to the federal government like the 53%.
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Old 01-07-2017, 07:05 PM
 
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Please explain to me how going to a national sales tax or VAT eliminates the IRS or whatever the tax collection, auditing processing company would be called?


Most States have more employees for their State tax agencies than the IRS has employees in their State.
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Old 01-07-2017, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Have seen the flat tax here in NC. It does nothing except give the people with the highest earnings more. It does not increase sales or business and creates higher fees (GOP for Taxes), Higher Real Estate taxes as well as property taxes. Sales taxes in state as high as 9% depending on county.

State tax department has forced business to be front line of tax collection. Leading to more regs. and reporting by those business. So the GOP the party of less Regulation wants to increase them.
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Old 01-07-2017, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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NO. In fifty foot letters - if that was possible.
Why?
In America, endowed rights are not subject to taxation. Only government privileges are taxable.
A sales tax, in a state, is a levy on the licensed BUSINESS, not the customer. However, since the customer is the ultimate tax payer (where else does a business get its money to pay taxes?), the state allows them to place the tax as a separate item, so that untaxed enterprises do not have an unfair pricing advantage. And it simplifies accounting with respect to tax-exempt transactions.

The question is : WHAT FEDERAL PRIVILEGE IS INVOLVED THAT WOULD IMPOSE A NATIONAL SALES TAX ON ALL RETAIL TRANSACTIONS?

There is no such privilege involved.

BTW - the "income tax" is also a privilege tax, not a tax on "income."
“The income tax is, therefore, not a tax on income as such. It is an excise tax with respect to certain activities and privileges which is measured by reference to the income which they produce. The income is not the subject of the tax: it is the basis for determining the amount of the tax.”
- - - F. Morse Hubbard, Treasury Department legislative draftsman. House Congressional Record March 27th 1943, page 2580.

‘When a court refers to an income tax being in the nature of an excise, it is merely stating that the tax is not on the property itself, but rather it is a fee for the privilege of receiving gain from the property. The tax is based upon the amount of the gain, not the value of the property.' John R. Luckey, Legislative Attorney with the Library of Congress, ‘Frequently Asked Questions Concerning The Federal Income Tax' (C.R.S. Report for Congress 92-303A (1992)).

‘The terms ‘excise tax' and ‘privilege tax' are synonymous. The two are often used interchangeably.'
- - - American Airways v. Wallace 57 F.2d 877, 880

‘Excises are taxes laid upon the manufacture, sale or consumption of commodities within the country, upon licenses to pursue certain occupations and upon corporate PRIVILEGES.’ ‘…the requirement to pay such taxes involves the exercise of a PRIVILEGE…’
- - - U.S. Supreme Court, Flint v. Stone Tracy Co., 220 U.S. 107

IN CONTRAST

‘The right to follow any of the common occupations of life is an inalienable right…’ And ‘It has been well said that ‘the property which every man has in his own labor, as it is the original foundation of all other property, so it is the most sacred and inviolable. The patrimony of the poor man lies in the strength and dexterity of his owns hands, and to hinder his employing this strength and dexterity in what manner he thinks proper, without injury to his neighbor, is a plain violation of this most sacred property.’’
- - - U.S. Supreme Court, Butcher’s Union Co. v Crescent City Co., 111 U.S. 746 (1883)
. . .
Governments instituted to secure rights have no delegation of power to tax rights - only privileges that they grant.
. . .
"The individual, unlike the corporation, cannot be taxed for the mere privilege of existing. The corporation is an artificial entity which owes its existence and charter powers to the state; but, the individual's rights to live and own property are NATURAL RIGHTS for the enjoyment of which an excise [tax] cannot be imposed."
- - - Redfield vs Fisher, 292 P. 813, at 819.

" The right to labor and to its protection from unlawful interference is a constitutional as well as a common-law right. Every man has a NATURAL RIGHT to the fruits of his own industry."
- - - 48 Am Jur 2d, Section 2, p. 80

" Any claim that this statute is a taxing statute would be immediately open to severe constitutional objections. If it could be said that the state had the POWER TO TAX A RIGHT, this would enable the state to DESTROY RIGHTS guaranteed by the constitutions through the use of oppressive taxation. The question herein, is one of the state taxing the right of travel by the ordinary modes of the day, and whether this is a legitimate object of state taxation. The views advanced herein are neither novel nor unsupported by authority. The question of the taxing power of the states has been repeatedly considered by the High Court. The right of the states to impede or embarrass the constitutional operations of the the U.S. Government or the Rights which the citizens hold under it, has been uniformly denied."
- - - McCulloch v. Maryland 4 Wheat 316.
If you're incensed over the current income tax system, you should inquire of your public servants to EXPLAIN exactly which revenue taxable privileges you're exercising that impose an excise tax based on the income derived from said privilege.

If you're a privileged tax payer, by all means pay your taxes.
However, if you aren't exercising any privileges, perhaps you were misled.
But that does not justify embracing an abominable national retail sales tax.
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Old 01-07-2017, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I support a value added tax, a VAT, always have. I also want all citizens paying federal income tax regardless of income. The 47% not paying a dime should be required to pay a portion of their income to the federal government like the 53%.
What does that do for your grandparents who have worked and paid taxes for 50+ years and are now living on fixed income?
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