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Old 01-10-2017, 12:50 PM
 
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Either everyone should be allowed to wear a clothing of item that they feel is special to them, or no one does.

No exceptions - the military shouldn't be a place for special little snowflakes.
Haar! "special little snowflakes". You really have no idea of Sikhs and their battle history, do you.
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Old 01-10-2017, 01:27 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Haar! "special little snowflakes". You really have no idea of Sikhs and their battle history, do you.

Aren't Sikhs and Rajputs bout the same thing? At any rate, there is a serious warrior history there. Indeed, hardly special snowflakes. These are the guys that put a whup azz on Alexander. No small feat. And to clarify, they are NOT Muslim.
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Old 01-10-2017, 02:49 PM
 
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FAIL!

Skin color can't be changed; hair and clothing style CAN be changed.
Why didn't you brilliant white folks figure that out back then?

Or did you need another sixty years to see that.

BTW...religion can be changed too. What's the point.
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It shouldn't be. There is no place for individual dress codes, etc... everyone conforms or you don't join the military. Period. The military is about conformity, organized process, group action and procedure. There is no place for individual statements regardless of purpose. Everyone dresses the same, period.
Nonsense. It ain't that serious.
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Old 01-10-2017, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Haar! "special little snowflakes". You really have no idea of Sikhs and their battle history, do you.
I have read quite a bit concerning them over the years, and do have some idea about Sikhs.

"Special little snowflakes" in this context, applies to any one who's beliefs or traditions are elevated above the beliefs or traditions of others.

Subjective belief is subjective belief. The bigfoot believer has as much natural right to parade their belief as the most venerated holy person. Give one special privileges based on belief, them give all special privileges based on belief.
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Old 01-10-2017, 04:19 PM
 
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Why didn't you brilliant white folks figure that out back then?

Or did you need another sixty years to see that.

BTW...religion can be changed too. What's the point.


Nonsense. It ain't that serious.
Let's NOT go there, please.

Us "Irish" also had to put up with a bunch of prejudice, so did many other people of NON British heritage even just 100 years ago here in the US. BTW: most of us are also "white".
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Old 01-10-2017, 05:18 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Why didn't you brilliant white folks figure that out back then?

Or did you need another sixty years to see that.

BTW...religion can be changed too. What's the point.


Nonsense. It ain't that serious.

This isn't a racial thing. It has to do with culture, not color. And the integration of separate, culturally unique, military units is hardly just 60 years old. Nor has it always been left to "brilliant White folks" to utilize such units. That's a quite borderline quip.


And yes, it IS pretty serious when you look at breaking up the uniformity of regular units. Allowing the uniform to be covered over with religious symbolism defeats the entire purpose of being uniform. The standard uniform is what it is. EVERBODY wears it, within regulation parameters. Try telling a Marine that his uniform isn't "that serious". Yes, it is.


Within the culturally unique units in other countries, their uniform is also VERY serious. The Gurkhas are the example I've been referring to in this discussion, so I'll use them again here. Their uniform, (and it is a uniform) is a source of great pride, and they take it plumb serious. As does any military unit. The uniform is everything. It must be worn correctly, with all insignia and such in its proper place and order. Nobody gets to ad lib. There's a lot of aspects to this issue that can't be just discarded out of hand. As I said before,it's called a uniform for a reason.
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Old 01-10-2017, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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ever try to put a gas mask on wearing a beard?


ever have to rely on a gased dead bearded person to survive an attack?


im pretty sure you don't even know what I just said.
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One reason for not allowing beards is they interfere with the proper seal of a gas mask in combat, or flight mask in an aircraft.
The Canadian Minister of Defense, who is Sikh, designed a gas mask that can be used with a beard. It's a non-issue.

Sikhs have been flying since there were military planes to fly. See comments by Worf here:

The Turban vs the Helmet - PPRuNe Forums
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Old 01-10-2017, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Sarasota FL
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Looks like the word 'UNIFORM' no longer applies.
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Old 01-10-2017, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Within the culturally unique units in other countries, their uniform is also VERY serious. The Gurkhas are the example I've been referring to in this discussion, so I'll use them again here. Their uniform, (and it is a uniform) is a source of great pride, and they take it plumb serious. As does any military unit. The uniform is everything. It must be worn correctly, with all insignia and such in its proper place and order. Nobody gets to ad lib. There's a lot of aspects to this issue that can't be just discarded out of hand. As I said before,it's called a uniform for a reason.
I agree with you 100%

The way I see it? Well, they want to join the Army, they should be given an equal opportunity.

People are not dumb! People will figure out if some just want to make a religious or political statement, or they really want to serve the country. There are a lot of unspoken unofficial rules in the military. Respect is earned, not demanded or given. I can care less about their "history." If they want to join the Army, they should be able to. You are respected warriors? well, let's see some action. Let's see how many of these religious warriors REALLY want to serve the country. Army certainly is not stopping them. No one is stopping them now.
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Old 01-10-2017, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Join the Army! Eat the same MRE like everybody else!
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