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Old 01-16-2017, 07:51 AM
 
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You and me both.

The problem is that under the everyone-on-Medicare model, many hospitals and clinics would go out of business. The reimbursement rates are too low. That could be changed, of course.
Or they can understand that everyone is going to have to give a little to get a little. While a clinic may have to take a little less per patient, they will actually get paid for each patient.

Being that the lawyers will have to give up something also, the cost of Malpractice insurance will have to come down. Those with a sponge left in them will not get the huge payout either in return for affordable health care.

Etc.
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Old 01-16-2017, 08:00 AM
 
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Or they can understand that everyone is going to have to give a little to get a little. While a clinic may have to take a little less per patient, they will actually get paid for each patient.

Being that the lawyers will have to give up something also, the cost of Malpractice insurance will have to come down. Those with a sponge left in them will not get the huge payout either in return for affordable health care.

Etc.
Yes.

As a self employed person who has rarely had insurance, I can tell ya that the issue is not the initial doctor's visit - that's reasonably do-able (for me anyway). The reason you don't even go is because it's almost inevitable that the doctor will want to test. It's the cost of tests, lab work, MRI's, CAT scans etc that keeps uninsured out of the doctor's office. The out of pocket cost of those things are completely out of reach. The cost of diagnostics has got to come down drastically.

Of course having people be able to go and get treatment before the issue progresses to catastrophic is so much better in terms of cost to society in many ways that everyone will reap the benefit.
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Old 01-16-2017, 08:05 AM
 
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Or they can understand that everyone is going to have to give a little to get a little. While a clinic may have to take a little less per patient, they will actually get paid for each patient.

Being that the lawyers will have to give up something also, the cost of Malpractice insurance will have to come down. Those with a sponge left in them will not get the huge payout either in return for affordable health care.

Etc.
Clinics get paid for all patients now. They don't see you if you don't either pay up front or file insurance. If your insurance doesn't allow a certain billing code or procedure, then they go after you.
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Old 01-16-2017, 08:09 AM
 
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Clinics get paid for all patients now. They don't see you if you don't either pay up front or file insurance. If your insurance doesn't allow a certain billing code or procedure, then they go after you.
And they don't always get paid. We would also do away with the two tiered pricing structure scam. There would be no more billing $1200 with the understanding you are going to accept $300 and write the rest off.

I know the credit unions are even overlooking unpaid medical bills in deciding whether to give someone a loan......not paying isn't what it once was.
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Old 01-16-2017, 08:12 AM
 
Location: San Francisco born/raised - Las Vegas
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He also said he was gonna lock HIllary up.

He also said he was gonna build a wall, and Mexico would pay for it.

He also said he was going to drain the swamp.

He also said he would release his tax returns.

He also said he never praised Putin

He also said H.Clinton started the birther movement.

The list goes on, and on, and on, and on...

Welcome to Trumparica.
You can keep your doctor.
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Old 01-16-2017, 08:14 AM
 
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Yes.
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Of course having people be able to go and get treatment before the issue progresses to catastrophic is so much better in terms of cost to society in many ways that everyone will reap the benefit.
Bingo.

There are all sorts of folks on disability benefits due to unmanaged health problems. We end up picking up their medical costs, which are higher now, as well as paying for subsidized housing, Food Stamps...

Aside from the cost, how does a moral country with plenty of wealth deny medical care for its citizens?

I think it is damn strange that the party who claims the moral high ground on everything from birth control to who uses which bathroom, is fine with turning their backs on the less fortunate all the time.
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Old 01-16-2017, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Default WaPo: Trump Vows "Insurance for Everyone"

Not sure what to make of this. Trump gave a phone interview to the Washington Post over the weekend, which in and of itself is rather odd, considering.

Anyway, during this interview, he reportedly stated that "he is nearing completion of a plan to replace President Obama’s signature health-care law with the goal of “insurance for everybody,” while also vowing to force drug companies to negotiate directly with the government on prices in Medicare and Medicaid."

No details (of course) as to how this will happen, but there was also apparently a warning issued to the GOP that he would brook no opposition:
"Trump warned Republicans that if the party splinters or slows his agenda, he is ready to use the power of the presidency — and Twitter — to usher his legislation to passage."

If he is indeed working towards some sort of universal healthcare, he'll get my support, although he also stated that he doesn't want single-payer.
(“It’s not going to be their plan,” he said of people covered under the current law. “It’ll be another plan. But they’ll be beautifully covered. I don’t want single-payer. What I do want is to be able to take care of people,” he said Saturday.")

However, I do wonder how this will fly for all of the people who don't want to pay for all of those "lowlife" types who refuse to pay their own way and/or those who keep pressing for "smaller government" and/or those who were livid at the thought of an imperial presidency during Obama's tenure.

After all, the only way to make this work is either via some huge new government program and/or much higher taxes and/or outright disregard for the legislative process.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.f68b6d693bb1
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Old 01-16-2017, 09:07 AM
 
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Remember during the primaries when constitutional conservatives were saying "Um... Trump said he wants universal health care" and we were shot down? Called "liars", etc...?

Trump was liberal up until 30 months before the election. He supported many liberal policies and praised liberal leaders. He was quoted numerous times about wanting to have universal health care as replacement for the ACA.

This isn't a surprise to those who opposed him during the primaries. The reason he was supported by some conservatives even though they didn't want him was because Hilary was not acceptable at all.

So, we will likely end up with many liberal policies from him and a lot people who thought he was conservative are going to be shocked.

It may be worth it though if he holds to his promise to put constructionists on the supreme court, but he had better meet that at a minimum or he will be as worthless as Obama.
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Old 01-16-2017, 09:08 AM
 
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Well. We will see.

If by 'insurance for all", he is referring to health savings accounts, count me out.
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Old 01-16-2017, 09:10 AM
 
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Well. We will see.

If by 'insurance for all", he is referring to health savings accounts, count me out.
Yeah, because if it isn't a handout who cares right? /boggle
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