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The only facts I have seen from you, is that you have been able to manipulate the keys on a keyboard and you clearly found the submit button. There are many indicators, but they are not pointing to any evidence presented.
I linked to an NRA article, in post 170, saying that many still use the term clip as I did and defended the use of the term.I quoted it AND highlighted the relevant part. I cant spoon feed you any better than that. If you lack the reading comprehension skills to assimilate what I layed out for you to read, or lack the courage to read it honestly and think about it, there's not much more I can do.
The article from the NRA is linked and quoted. Again, post 170.You either possess the courage to read it and respond or you dont. Your choice.
No, I addressed your response. I said that one felt like he was smarter than anyone who disagreed with him, from the NRA to the military. That was you.
But understand what started this in case you came in late. It was/is being claimed that I probably dont own guns because I used the term clip instead of magazine,all because I learned the term from a guy with an M1 that called it a banana clip. My point is not to claim "clip' as the correct technical term, but to show its use does not indicate ignorance of guns, as some military and even the NRA use the term as I did.
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Maybe not. I'm not a gun smith. I always heard filing down the sear (whatever or wherever that is located on a semi-auto weapon as I have no idea) would allow the weapon to fire fully auto.
Nearly every different type of firearm has a unique design, incorporating differing styles and methods of operation. Like any other group of mechanical devices, their design can differ dramatically or the can be very similar.
Simply stated, it all depends on the platform.
The AR15 differs from the later M16/M4 in a multitude of ways, including the bolt carrier , the FCG, machining of the lower, auto sear, burst cam, and more.
The early M16s were full rock N roll, but I am not familiar with thier mechanics.
Some open bolt platforms had fewer differences , but those are hens teeth these days.
"While at the range with some friends recently, the question was raised about the difference between a clip and a magazine. Some of the guys were very picky about this, insisting you should never call a magazine a clip. So what is the difference between a clip and a magazine? Which came first and how long have these terms been used?
The word “magazine†has been used for centuries to describe a place in which ammunition or gunpowder is stored. According to the Oxford English Dictionary the term defined as “A place in which a quantity of arms, ammunition or provisions is stored in time of war†dates to at least 1596. The use of the word as “A chamber for a supply of bullets†dates to 1744, again according to the Oxford English Dictionary,which was long before there were self-contained cartridges. It is hard to pin down exactly when “clip†was first used in relation to firearms, but “charger†appears in 1711 as “either bandoleers or Flasks that contain the powder.†Again, both terms already were in use before repeating firearms.
Today, when people talk about magazines, they are usually referring to a spring-loaded container for cartridges that may be an integral part of a firearm’s mechanism or may be detachable. When it comes to integral magazines-meaning not readily removable-common forms include tubular, rotary or box. Many popular repeating rifles have hinged floorplates to allow the magazine to be emptied with no need to cycle cartridges through the action. Then there are blind magazines in which there is no access to the ammunition except through the action port.
Although there are detachable drum magazines and detachable rotary magazines (i.e., Ruger’s 10/22), the most common form used in new rifles and handguns is the detachable box magazine, which is typically loaded before insertion into the firearm. Some do allow topping off from inside the action port, though.
“Chargers†or “charger clips†come in several varieties, including en-bloc clips that actually hold the cartridges and go into the gun and are part of the feeding mechanism. Notable examples include the eight-round clip for the M1 Garand (ejected out the top of the action after firing the last round) and those for military Mannlicher bolt-actions, the latter of which drop out the bottom of the magazine as the last round is stripped into the chamber.
Stripper clips are used to “strip†cartridges into the magazine of a firearm, such as in Mauser broomhandle pistols and Mauser bolt-action military rifles. These are not essential to feeding from the magazine, but they are a rapid method of charging it. And some stripper clips were intended to be used to fill detachable-box magazines while not in the gun, such as early 10-round stripper clips for the AR-15/M16.
There has been little consistency in what was called a charger and what was called a stripper clip over time. For example, when the British adapted the Short, Magazine Lee-Enfield, Mk III in 1907, older Lee-Enfield and Lee-Metford rifles were upgraded with charger bridges to convert them to “Charger-Loading,†meaning their 10-round, detachable-box magazines could be fed by stripper clips through the top of the action. Confused yet? Rifles such as the U.S. M14 have guides on their receivers to allow their detachable box magazines to be loaded by a stripper clip.
The bottom line is that both terms, clip and magazine, are used almost interchangeably today to describe a detachable device for feeding the action of a firearm. Before purists chime in, let me add that back in 1909 and 1910--as the United States was looking at adopting its first self-loading pistol for widespread issue--in U.S. Army Ordnance Dept. documents it referred to the detachable box magazine for what would become the U.S. M1911 pistol as, well, a clip."
Enough said.
Holy carp, it even says in the article the reference was to 1909. I finally got bored enough to read the entire thing. Nine teen hundred and nine. Oh boy. About the same time removable mags were invented.
Holy carp, it even says in the article the reference was to 1909. I finally got bored enough to read the entire thing. Nine teen hundred and nine. Oh boy. About the same time removable mags were invented.
Um, read better dude. It says, and I quote
" both terms...are used almost interchangeably today".
Nearly every different type of firearm has a unique design, incorporating differing styles and methods of operation. Like any other group of mechanical devices, their design can differ dramatically or the can be very similar.
Simply stated, it all depends on the platform.
The AR15 differs from the later M16/M4 in a multitude of ways, including the bolt carrier , the FCG, machining of the lower, auto sear, burst cam, and more.
The early M16s were full rock N roll, but I am not familiar with thier mechanics.
Some open bolt platforms had fewer differences , but those are hens teeth these days.
All the parts are available to build your own fully auto firearm. All you need is the 80% lower for your build.
They cannot sell a fully functioning, or a complete lower.... But they can sell you one fully assembled except for the trigger well milling that still needs to be completed and installing the trigger and hammer.
Just pointing out that the NRA magazine has used the term as I did. If that hacks you off and spoils your fun, tough.
You are missing the point. Among gun nuts this is religious dogma. It is not up for discussion. If you do not believe you simply are not acceptable.
And some at the NRA cross the line and get cast out. You found one.
So welcome to the outer darkness.
Rational people have to live out here...there is no place for them in gunnutdom
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