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Old 01-24-2017, 03:34 PM
 
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GOP has had over ten years to formulate a replacement for ACA, and as of yet they've still got nothing. Why don't they just admit what everyone knows or suspects; they cannot stand that a Black man became POTUS and got something into law that had been bouncing around Washington D.C. since FDR.


Republicans never had a plan to "replace" anything, they just want to undo Obamacare to teach "that uppity **** a lesson". But finding that even within their own party doing one without the other will prove difficult and very unpopular, this latest scheme is the best they can come up with.


Make no mistake the wealthier Northeast and West Coast states could probably come up with healthcare schemes of their own; heck Massachusetts did so despite Mittens Romney backing away from that accomplishment.


Other states already heavily dependent upon federal money do not have the tax base *and* large numbers of unhealthy and or improvised residents to make any such healthcare scheme work.
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Old 01-24-2017, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Eastern UP of Michigan
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People should be happy with this, your state can tailor healthcare to the constituent's needs, and wants.
I have no major problem with this as it could create something akin to a large pool system, similar to "government option." albeit using a handful of companies.


But if the states can tailor healthcare to the consitiuents needs wont that put a damper on the "selling across state lines" mantra. Michigan could put in a couple of requirements that a New Jersey based company doesn't want to include even tho they could be the lowest cost company.


In essence taking away part of the competition thing ----- creating their own monopoly type program.
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Old 01-24-2017, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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GOP has had over ten years to formulate a replacement for ACA, and as of yet they've still got nothing.
The GOP is neither legally nor constitutionally obligated to provide a replacement.
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Old 01-24-2017, 05:27 PM
 
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People should be happy with this, your state can tailor healthcare to the constituent's needs, and wants.

No. We need pre-existing conditions rules at a national level so that anyone in the USA can purchase health insurance without having to worry about being denied covered due to pre-existing condition or charged astronomical rates due to pre-existing condition.

We need to be able to buy insurance and not worry that they will cancel the policy as soon we get sick and have large claims.

ACA protects us for the above issues.

If it's passed to the states, then those of us in states like Florida will LOSE ACA protections(preexisting conditions).
There are a lot of people in FL that voted against Trump and we will suffer if we lose ACA preexisting rules. Our state governor is a right winger and he only cares about companies, not people. He doesn't care whether people are denied insurance. There are a lot of states like this. People will die and go bankrupt because the feds dropped the pre-existing condition protections for the people.

We currently have FEDERAL RULES about health insurance and we need these kept at the federal level.

Passing the buck to the states won't work.
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Old 01-24-2017, 05:41 PM
 
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Other states already heavily dependent upon federal money do not have the tax base *and* large numbers of unhealthy and or improvised residents to make any such healthcare scheme work.
Many GOP run states won't do anything, even if they have the tax base. They don't care. Florida is one example. Florida would never do any kind of health insurance. It's GOP controlled. They would let the residents die on the streets and walk right by them.

They wouldn't even bother forcing pre-existing condition rules on the insurance companies, or forcing insurance companies from cancelling policies after people got sick. Florida's government is in the pockets of the insurance companies and would always choose insurance companies over citizens.

The GOP doesn't want to worry about people's health insurance. They will look the other way. If feds pass to the states, GOP run states (more than half the states in the USA) will simply look the other way.

Passing to the states is pretty much cancelling ACA completely.

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Old 01-24-2017, 05:43 PM
 
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The GOP is neither legally nor constitutionally obligated to provide a replacement.
Then maybe that should've been their campaign slogan.
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Old 01-24-2017, 05:49 PM
 
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Yeah I get it, they are too weak to admit that they cant formulate a replacement plan for ObamaCare that wont cause the nation to revolt, so instead they are passing the buck. Fine for blue states that actually give a sh*t, sad for someone that has a pre existing condition in Texas. Ugh. #rip

GOP Senators Propose Handing Obamacare To The States | The Huffington Post
Screw any replacement plan, just junk the entire thing.
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Old 01-24-2017, 05:53 PM
 
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Many GOP run state won't do anything, even if they have the tax base. They don't care. Florida is one example. Florida would never do any kind of health insurance. It's GOP controlled. They would let the residents die on the streets and walk right by them.

They wouldn't even bother forcing pre-existing condition rules on the insurance companies, or forcing insurance companies from cancelling policies after people got sick. Florida's government is in the pockets of the insurance companies and would always choose insurance companies over citizens.

The GOP doesn't want to worry about people's health insurance. They will look the other way. If feds pass to the states, GOP run states (more than half of them) will simply look the other way.

There is so much Medicare fraud in Florida it doesn't need "health insurance" reform, plenty of persons are getting theirs already.
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Old 01-24-2017, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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The GOP is neither legally nor constitutionally obligated to provide a replacement.
As a Democrat, I would love nothing more than to see Paul Ryan hold a press conference and say exactly what you wrote.
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Old 01-24-2017, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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No. We need pre-existing conditions rules at a national level so that anyone in the USA can purchase health insurance without having to worry about being denied covered due to pre-existing condition or charged astronomical rates due to pre-existing condition.

We need to be able to buy insurance and not worry that they will cancel the policy as soon we get sick and have large claims.

ACA protects us for the above issues.

If it's passed to the states, then those of us in states like Florida will LOSE ACA protections(preexisting conditions).
There are a lot of people in FL that voted against Trump and we will suffer if we lose ACA preexisting rules. Our state governor is a right winger and he only cares about companies, not people. He doesn't care whether people are denied insurance. There are a lot of states like this. People will die and go bankrupt because the feds dropped the pre-existing condition protections for the people.

We currently have FEDERAL RULES about health insurance and we need these kept at the federal level.

Passing the buck to the states won't work.
The disinformation mode is strong with this one.

Basically, you didn't even bother to look at the legislation.
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Sec. 101.Ends the ACA’s “One Size Fits All” approach – Repeals Title I of ACA, including the Individual and Employers mandates, as default option for states.

Maintains essential consumer protections - Protects individuals with preexisting conditions, prohibits annual or lifetime caps, maintains guaranteed issue and guaranteed renewability, prevents discrimination, maintains coverage for mental health and substance abuse disorders, and allows adult children to remain on their parent’s health insurance plan to age 26.
[emphasis in original]

http://www.cassidy.senate.gov/imo/me...7)%20(003).pdf

Just refuted your claims.

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As a Democrat, I would love nothing more than to see Paul Ryan hold a press conference and say exactly what you wrote.
I'll say it, if he hasn't the guts.

Go ahead and attempt to disprove what I said, if you can.
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