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Old 02-09-2017, 09:50 AM
 
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Again, read the proposed law in the OP. Sensationalism aside, it's not about rape. It's about the father having a say in the unborn child's future.
then your arguing against yourself because if this passes these men are guaranteed to be paying 18+ years of child support. Probably even additional monies because he forced the birth.
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:51 AM
 
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No, the topic is exerting force against another, against their will. My point is extremely relevant.

If a woman can't be forced to bear a child against her will, a man can't be forced to support an unwanted child against his will.

They're the same thing. How do you not see that?
The problem with your argument is it's not the woman forcing the man to do anything. It's the state forcing both parents to take care of their child. A man can opt out of paying child support by taking in the child (then the mother pays support). Either way, both parents are on the hook. Neither can opt out.

You know, I'd be all for there being a legally binding contract a man and woman can sign that says if a child is created that either one can opt out. But before that could happen we'd need more money for planned parenthood, abortion clinics, and orphanages because women don't have abortion choices in a lot of areas and what if, after a child is born both parents choose to opt out? The state will have to take care of the babies some how. We'd also need to increase taxes for welfare since raising a child is what now, a $250,000 from birth to 18. Single parents will need more tax breaks and government programs to make ends meet (unless some private charity group steps in). But again, that's a different topic.
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:51 AM
 
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Again, for clarity...

I absolutely agree a woman has the right to choose. BUT, so does a man. Unwanted pregnancy = no responsibility for any subsequent child.
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:52 AM
 
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Whats to stop the woman from going for an abortion as a single woman, never telling her husband about the pregnancy? I have never sought out an abortions so I dont know the personal information you are required to give.
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:54 AM
 
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Whats to stop the woman from going for an abortion as a single woman, never telling her husband about the pregnancy? I have never sought out an abortions so I dont know the personal information you are required to give.
That's her choice. And that's not an unusual occurrence.
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:54 AM
 
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Again, for clarity...

I absolutely agree a woman has the right to choose. BUT, so does a man. Unwanted pregnancy = no responsibility for any subsequent child.
What if he changes his mind?
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:55 AM
 
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Whats to stop the woman from going for an abortion as a single woman, never telling her husband about the pregnancy? I have never sought out an abortions so I dont know the personal information you are required to give.
I don't know, but I thought something similar. What's to stop her from going to the drug store and getting morning after pills. Of course, I've never been raped or abused so it's possible that the mind of a person in those circumstances isn't exactly clear thinking.
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:55 AM
 
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Perhaps. How would that be any different than a woman's choice to abort?
Oh, I didn't realize you were a politician with actual power. I thought you were just some guy whining on the internet that biology isn't "fair".
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:56 AM
 
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What if he changes his mind?
What if she changes her mind? Do you honestly think there are no women who have regretted their choice to abort?
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:57 AM
 
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That's her choice. And that's not an unusual occurrence.
yes Im sure it is. My point is what is the point of this law if a woman can just go do it without ever telling her husband.
Oh, he can sue the physician/clinic after the fact therefore requiring clinics to require women to show documentation from the supposed father giving his consent.
Another abortion restriction. Clever.
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