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Old 02-06-2017, 10:32 AM
 
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Liberals and dems....what's with all the non-sequitur rage, hissy fits, violence, suppressing the view on the other side at colleges in berkley, NYC, etc? Such an angry bunch. Not good for your physical/mental health.
What is "the other side"? We liberals have learned that some debates have one side - some have 100 sides. The very idea that bomb throwers and trolls are "a side" is false on its face.

Come up with a subject and we can debate the "sides" - however many they may be. Like that horrible ACA which Trump was going to replace the first day. I just heard him say it may happen next year (2018).

It appears there are more than two sides to health care.

What about the Iranian deal? Trump called it the worse deal in history that he would rid us of. Now he says he accepts this "bad deal" and will let it stand. Which side of that.......??

This is really the folly of the dumbed down American Conversation. As one journalist noted - it's not a question of "two sides" or "fair and balanced". It's a matter of whether something is true or not. We've all been sucked into this alternate reality where if
I say evolution and Darwin had it mostly right...
and You Say you are a Scientologist and we come from alien seeds
and Someone else says the earth is 8,000 years old.

We then have a "fair and balanced" panel with the 3 of us discussing these 3 "truths". Wrong. Fact mattered in the world before about 2000.

 
Old 02-06-2017, 10:33 AM
 
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Regarding his replacement plan, Trump Said (lied) on Jan-15-2017...

"It's very much formulated down to the final strokes. We haven't put it in quite yet but we're going to be doing it soon," Trump told the Post, adding he was waiting for his nominee for health and human services secretary, Tom Price, to be confirmed.

Donald Trump on Obamacare Replacement: 'Insurance for Everybody' | Fortune.com
Once a huckster, always a huckster.

But it's harder to lie with a straight face when everything you say and do is recorded forever.
 
Old 02-06-2017, 10:34 AM
 
Location: SC
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When is Price's confirmation supposed to occur?
Must be sometime next year.
 
Old 02-06-2017, 10:42 AM
 
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Whatever happened to that law where Bannon would need the advise and consent of the Senate to be on the NSC?
You're remembering a law that never actually existed. Senate approval is not needed for an appointment to the post of National Security Advisor.

Obama appointed Susan Rice to the NSC solely for the purpose of shielding her from questions arising out of the Benghazi fiasco, and for no other reason. Ms. Rice was merely a partisan White House hack who may have had some knowledge of the events on the night of Sept 11, 2012. GOP senators expressed an interest in hearing testimony from Ms. Rice regarding those events, but that would have been deleterious to the re-election effort of B. Hussein Obama, which was the only consideration that mattered to the President at the time, apparently.

She was not, obviously, some indispensable intelligence operative whose skill set was badly needed by the NSA. But she needed a job at a time where an nomination to Secretary of State would place her in front of a Senate confirmation committee, which was the last thing B. Hussein Obama wanted. So he appointed her National Security Advisor to replace the outgoing Tom Donilon, thereby keeping her on the payroll, and away from any hostile questions that might be posed by a Senate confirmation committee.
 
Old 02-06-2017, 10:44 AM
 
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You're remembering a law that never actually existed. Senate approval is not needed for an appointment to the post of National Security Advisor.

Obama appointed Susan Rice to the NSC solely for the purpose of shielding her from questions arising out of the Benghazi fiasco, and for no other reason. Ms. Rice was merely a partisan White House hack who may have had some knowledge of the events on the night of Sept 11, 2012. GOP senators expressed an interest in hearing testimony from Ms. Rice regarding those events, but that would have been deleterious to the re-election effort of B. Hussein Obama, which was the only consideration that mattered to the President at the time, apparently.

She was not, obviously, some indispensable intelligence operative whose skill set was badly needed by the NSA. But she needed a job at a time where an nomination to Secretary of State would place her in front of a Senate confirmation committee, which was the last thing B. Hussein Obama wanted. So he appointed her National Security Advisor to replace the outgoing Tom Donilon, thereby keeping her on the payroll, and away from any hostile questions that might be posed by a Senate confirmation committee.
I love the emphasis of the middle name. As if that is a disqualifier for being President. Subtle!!
 
Old 02-06-2017, 10:48 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Trump's 20% Mexico tariff -- FAIL

ACA immediate repeal and replace -- FAIL

Muslim ban, halted by courts -- FAIL

Trump EO on imaginary voter fraud, stalled -- FAIL

Trump is not off to a good start. Failing bigly. Sad.

I'd say these are optical illusions put out there by the left wingers and mainstream news media who hate him as much as you do.
 
Old 02-06-2017, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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What is "the other side"? We liberals have learned that some debates have one side - some have 100 sides. The very idea that bomb throwers and trolls are "a side" is false on its face.

Come up with a subject and we can debate the "sides" - however many they may be. Like that horrible ACA which Trump was going to replace the first day. I just heard him say it may happen next year (2018).

It appears there are more than two sides to health care.

What about the Iranian deal? Trump called it the worse deal in history that he would rid us of. Now he says he accepts this "bad deal" and will let it stand. Which side of that.......??

This is really the folly of the dumbed down American Conversation. As one journalist noted - it's not a question of "two sides" or "fair and balanced". It's a matter of whether something is true or not. We've all been sucked into this alternate reality where if
I say evolution and Darwin had it mostly right...
and You Say you are a Scientologist and we come from alien seeds
and Someone else says the earth is 8,000 years old.

We then have a "fair and balanced" panel with the 3 of us discussing these 3 "truths". Wrong. Fact mattered in the world before about 2000.
You're missing the point. What this is all about is simply allowing another view that you or I may big time disagree with to express their views on college campuses like in berkely, nyu, etc without chasing opposing views out by throwing hissy fits that include all sorts of violence like throwing bricks through windows, starting fires, threats, etc. If the libs/dems at a college campus can't have an open/adult like debate on a college campus which supposedly is the height of free speech/expression/openness, hearing another side regardless if we agree/disagree with them, we have nothing to talk about until more than a few on the left gets civilized/act like adults.

WATCH: Violence At UC-Berkeley As Protesters Suppress Free Speech | 105.9 FM and AM 630

11 arrested at NYU protest over controversial right-wing speaker - NY Daily News

What's most telling to me? Why haven't these colleges/a bunch of professors at these colleges made public statements that this is wrong/unacceptable/fascist behavior on a college campus of all places as they are places for open debate, not suppressing/acting in a fascist manner and most importantly, apologized to these speakers and scheduled these speakers back ASAP so a civil debate can occur but I didn't hear that, have you?

So in summary, it all starts off with people growing up and having a civil debate and not suppressing another side that seems to enjoy yelling, screaming, causing violence, etc. Look at the videos of what went on at berkely and nyu and you'll see the embarrassment the left are making of themselves and the point of my last post.

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Old 02-06-2017, 10:51 AM
 
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I love the emphasis of the middle name. As if that is a disqualifier for being President. Subtle!!
If by "subtle," you mean "outstanding!", then yes, I must agree.
 
Old 02-06-2017, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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He should double the cost of all visas and border crossing cards to pay for the wall.
 
Old 02-06-2017, 10:55 AM
 
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You're remembering a law that never actually existed. Senate approval is not needed for an appointment to the post of National Security Advisor.

Obama appointed Susan Rice to the NSC solely for the purpose of shielding her from questions arising out of the Benghazi fiasco, and for no other reason. Ms. Rice was merely a partisan White House hack who may have had some knowledge of the events on the night of Sept 11, 2012. GOP senators expressed an interest in hearing testimony from Ms. Rice regarding those events, but that would have been deleterious to the re-election effort of B. Hussein Obama, which was the only consideration that mattered to the President at the time, apparently.

She was not, obviously, some indispensable intelligence operative whose skill set was badly needed by the NSA. But she needed a job at a time where an nomination to Secretary of State would place her in front of a Senate confirmation committee, which was the last thing B. Hussein Obama wanted. So he appointed her National Security Advisor to replace the outgoing Tom Donilon, thereby keeping her on the payroll, and away from any hostile questions that might be posed by a Senate confirmation committee.
We're not talking about setting up Bannon as National Security Advisor but Trump appointing him to a permanent seat on the NSC.

"U.S. Code 50, section 3021, defines the members of the council as the president, vice president, secretaries of state, defense, energy and "the Secretaries and Under Secretaries of other executive departments and of the military departments, when appointed by the President by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to serve at his pleasure."

Steve Bannon on National Security Council May Require Senate Confirmation | Politics | US News

I'm not sure what Obama and Ms. Rice or Benghazi have to do with Trump following the law.

But thanks for bringing up Benghazi.

33 hearings held in the congressional investigations and four public hearings, at an estimated cost of $7+ million determined that Republicans in Congress cut funding for embassy security which resulted in the Benghazi embassy not having adequate security.
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