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Old 02-10-2017, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge View Post
I wouldn't say that Trump has failed. He hasn't even been in office for a month. And he's dealing with a behemoth bureaucracy, and a system that was designed to stop hasty and impulsive actions. He's got four years (minus three weeks) to achieve his goals. If he could learn the US tax code to the point that he avoided paying federal taxes for years, then he can learn to work our system of government rather than to keep on trying to fight it.
I seriously doubt he learned any tax code. Anyone with that much money would hire someone else.
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Old 02-10-2017, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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For every US citizen. Just like they get medicare when you're 65+
Sign me up when "every US citizen" gets the same plan that members of Congress get and I don't get taxed half of my pay check to pay for it.

Until then, you can keep single payer.
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Old 02-10-2017, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Sign me up when "every US citizen" gets the same plan that members of Congress get and I don't get taxed half of my pay check to pay for it.

Until then, you can keep single payer.
So.... You're dismissing it without any cost analysis. Colorado Care was on the ballot and it was a 10% tax. Shared with your employer (like it currently is), that would be less than I'm paying now. Add in family members, it's significantly cheaper than the current setup.
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Old 02-10-2017, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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If insurance companies were mandated to be non profit that would fix a lot of the problem. Of course, not for insurance company owners, but they've had a REALLY good run for a LONG time.

Switzerland has a mandate that everyone carry insurance, but they also mandate that insurance companies be non profit.

We have too many hands in the pie.
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Old 02-10-2017, 11:22 AM
 
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If insurance companies were mandated to be non profit that would fix a lot of the problem. Of course, not for insurance company owners, but they've had a REALLY good run for a LONG time.

Switzerland has a mandate that everyone carry insurance, but they also mandate that insurance companies be non profit.

We have too many hands in the pie.

Yes, but again it is not only the profit itself. You can be non-profit, but still have a huge operational expenses (you know, like 10s of millions exec salaries and stuff).

Yes, the Swiss example shows that the insurance model can work but under tight control. They also control hospital prices, etc.
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Old 02-10-2017, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Nevada
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Just admit it, the GOP can't deliver on the promise to repeal and replace because they had no plan all along and did nothing the whole time except complain. Trump already failing to deliver on his campaign promise of repealing ACA on day 1. And where is the wall that Mexico was supposed to pay for? There's been no construction yet. Another failed Trump promise....
A failed Trump promise, is this a joke? It doesn't surprise me people who don't like Trump are going to do everything to fault him. The issues he's facing can't be fixed by waving a magic wand, and Trump has already taken steps in the right direction to get the ball rolling.
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Old 02-10-2017, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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If insurance companies were mandated to be non profit that would fix a lot of the problem. Of course, not for insurance company owners, but they've had a REALLY good run for a LONG time.

Switzerland has a mandate that everyone carry insurance, but they also mandate that insurance companies be non profit.

We have too many hands in the pie.
The big issue is that there are too many different insurances, too many different prices and too many "Networks"

I could go see a doctor that is "in network" but the nurse running my blood sample is "out of network", so insurance won't cover that portion.

Or if they code a blood sample as 123 instead of 456, I get charged twice as much for the same thing.
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Old 02-10-2017, 11:32 AM
 
Location: East Chicago, IN
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Solution, put it all under one umbrella. Same thing with internet and broadband. Yes, some bigwigs will lose money, but hey.
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Old 02-10-2017, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Athol, Idaho
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Most polls are showing that people do not want health care repealed. People do not want to go back to the way it was before when they couldn't have health insurance. If the Republicans take away health insurance and give us nothing or give us something that isn't good enough, they will not get re-elected. They know this.

They take away health care and someone's mother dies as a result. A Trump voter needs surgery but can't get it. Trump voters' kids get seriously ill and could be cured but there's no insurance so they die. Yeh, that's going to be really popular.

They're going to have to come up with something better than health care vouchers aka coupon care.

They're got themselves in really deep now, promising that they can give us something better. We want something better but we would rather wait until they can get it right. Even those of us who don't like the Republicans don't want them to fail, not on this anyway. This is life or death.
Your post isn't realistic. I've been there know people like this and also children with serious illnesses. I'm a cancer survivor myself and met a lot of others. Quite a few without insurance. Not one of them died because they didn't have insurance. Insurance protects you financially. People normally don't just give up, lay down and die if they don't have it. They do go broke paying for it and then have fund raisers or find a way somehow. In the case of breast cancer they have to postpone the final cosmetic surgery, maybe for years. It's terrible being without insurance, the worries are double because you also worry about how its paid for. What people need to stop saying is that people just let their family die, because in my experience this isn't true.

Children have the childrens hospitals that won't make you pay if you can't. Having a special needs child I know a lot of people that use these. You may have a long drive in order for your child to get the operation they need, but it does happen. I don't know one parent that just doesn't bother doing it because its hard.

I wish people understood catastrophic policies better. It was all I had and kept me from going broke with I had cancer. Two year battle. Paid two deductibles of 10k each. A big ouch, but the total cost of treatment was 450k. This kind of insurance is worth buying, but a lot less affordable for most now that Obummer care took over.

Socialist medicine creates the kind of waiting lists that lets older people die. Its just true.

Anyway I wish people would stop saying that people without insurance just die. From what I've seen when it comes down to it peoples will to live is stronger than that.
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Old 02-10-2017, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Austin TX
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Sign me up when "every US citizen" gets the same plan that members of Congress get and I don't get taxed half of my pay check to pay for it.

Until then, you can keep single payer.
Count me in on the "single payer sucks" debate. And to the argument that every civilized country on the planet offers single payer, I ask "how many countries with a population of 350+ million people operate under single payer plans?

I'll just wait here for the reply to that.
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