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Old 02-16-2017, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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There is a lot of talk about this topic in the men's rights movement. The US both left and right are entering the populist era. With the defeat of Hillary Clinton, marked the end of the Reagan years and neoliberalism in America which championed women's rights and marked the end of the expansion of the Great Society Years of the 60s and 70s. In socialist countries like Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Union, and even in PRC China, women rights were rolled back, and women are subordinate of men. I'm not sure if this will happen in the USA, but it looks likes due to high costs of income, women and their small families will have to seek out stable working men now to get by. The nation saw this decline of marriage with the African American community which has 70% out of wedlock births, generations prior blacks had the highest rates of marriage. Now white Americans are increasingly going down the same road as black Americans. The only groups of Americans with high marriage rates are Asians, Jews and Muslims.
Sorry, the days of women grabbing on to anything in pants just to get by are over.

Sure, it's good to have a man with a stable income that he's willing to share - but - for most women, he needs to offer more than that in return for getting into a marriage contract.
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Bronx
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Hard to say.

I assume in developed countries, women are very independent. They earn their own money and many women have very high positions in government and company. Most of them don’t even need men for their financial security.

My fiance and I make pretty much the same amount of money. Neither one of us wants a prenup agreement because it is not necessary.

I cannot imagine marrying somebody I am not attracted to. Money is just not worth it. Plus, the money my family gives me and the money I earn is good enough. I don't need any extra.

To each her own I guess.

This said, I can understand why some people marry for money. Different people look for different things. I am attracted to good looking men who are generous, kind, loving, brave, and passionate. Being generous doesn't mean that he has to make a lot of money. This just means that he cannot be "cheap."
Yikes. I hope your fiancée still finds you attractive when years roll by. I know plenty of women that entered relationships based on physical attraction and it never really works out at the end of the day. But yes you are right. To each her own. I wish you goodluck. I would not want to marry a woman based on the single fact that she finds me attractive. Their needs to be more than that. Being provider, being able to protect, produce, being able to serve, save and survive and so on. Relationships should be based on four virtues such as honesty, industriousness, religiosity and so on.
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Bronx
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Sorry, the days of women grabbing on to anything in pants just to get by are over.

Sure, it's good to have a man with a stable income that he's willing to share - but - for most women, he needs to offer more than that in return for getting into a marriage contract.
I agree with you, but also she needs to bring more to the table as well. These days women want to whole package. Nothing wrong with that. In matter of fact, I believe in women freedom and choice with what they want. Women want happiness and again nothing wrong with that and I'm all for it or that. But top notch men are very rare, and top notch men are less likely to commit. Go to DC and NYC and see all the top quality men who cheat day in and day out and the women can't do nothing about it.

These days men are being cautious with entering relationships with women who have families and women who amounted debts over the years from getting degree after degree.
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Gods country
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It doesn't have to be marriage but I sure see a lot of couple living together for economic reasons. I also know 2 couples, one in their 30's and one in their 60's, who were dating and got married when health insurance became an issue.
My 56 yo sister just got married for her husbands health insurance.
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:15 AM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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Marriage is a financial liability for young people with lots of student loan debt. When you get married the student loan interest tax break doesn't double. A lot of people pay $2,500 a year in loan interest by themselves. So it's cheaper to live together but not be married.
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Gods country
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Sorry, the days of women grabbing on to anything in pants just to get by are over.

Sure, it's good to have a man with a stable income that he's willing to share - but - for most women, he needs to offer more than that in return for getting into a marriage contract.
I don't understand your post. A man needs to offer more to a women (who needs) his money to get by? To have the privilege of marrying her???
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:38 AM
 
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In my own world I haven't noticed more people getting married, if anything I am noticing less people getting married.

Housing is not going to get cheaper, people will adapt to the housing situation.

We will see more multi generations of family living together in the family home and also people just living in smaller places, more roommates, moving to cheaper locations etc...
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:40 AM
 
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There is a lot of talk about this topic in the men's rights movement. The US both left and right are entering the populist era. With the defeat of Hillary Clinton, marked the end of the Reagan years and neoliberalism in America which championed women's rights and marked the end of the expansion of the Great Society Years of the 60s and 70s. In socialist countries like Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Union, and even in PRC China, women rights were rolled back, and women are subordinate of men. I'm not sure if this will happen in the USA, but it looks likes due to high costs of income, women and their small families will have to seek out stable working men now to get by. The nation saw this decline of marriage with the African American community which has 70% out of wedlock births, generations prior blacks had the highest rates of marriage. Now white Americans are increasingly going down the same road as black Americans. The only groups of Americans with high marriage rates are Asians, Jews and Muslims.
Why are you comparing women rights in the 30-40's to modern day? Women in the US during that time period were also subordinate compared to current times.
And what is high cost of income?

I think if there were stable working men, like perhaps the baby daddies of these women's small families, they would already have stable working men for their small families, no?

Anyway I agree that more than an increase in marriage we will see more multi generational households as we have been seeing in the last several years.
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:46 AM
 
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There is a lot of talk about this topic in the men's rights movement. The US both left and right are entering the populist era. With the defeat of Hillary Clinton, marked the end of the Reagan years and neoliberalism in America which championed women's rights and marked the end of the expansion of the Great Society Years of the 60s and 70s. In socialist countries like Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Union, and even in PRC China, women rights were rolled back, and women are subordinate of men. I'm not sure if this will happen in the USA, but it looks likes due to high costs of income, women and their small families will have to seek out stable working men now to get by. The nation saw this decline of marriage with the African American community which has 70% out of wedlock births, generations prior blacks had the highest rates of marriage. Now white Americans are increasingly going down the same road as black Americans. The only groups of Americans with high marriage rates are Asians, Jews and Muslims.
...men's...rights...movement?...
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:46 AM
 
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I don't understand your post. A man needs to offer more to a women (who needs) his money to get by? To have the privilege of marrying her???
IDK but I think its just that in past generations women had little else but to marry because they were unable to make a comfortable income of their own so they often married just to survive regardless of how they "clicked" with a partner. Where as now having the same opportunities to generate income women are looking for more, like love and other good characters in a partner. Men have basically always had this advantage.
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