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I'll bit, they will perform criminal acts just so they don't have to work.
That sounds like a mob shakedown, "pay or else" except they don't have the leverage.
Anyway, that is against the law and will land you in prison (free food, room and board ) or shot by a non-willing crime victim.
I understand Maine has pretty relaxed gun laws. They should move to MA maybe.
So the smart thing to do is spend $40,000 to save $2,000?
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Originally Posted by budlight
It is only 40,000 if they break the law. They have these options:
1. Work and pay your way.
2. Break the law and get arrested.
3. Steal from an armed man and pay another way.
4. Live with EddieB.Good and get freebies/ win/win.
If? The person that's too lazy to work 24 hours a MONTH, is going to suddenly develop a work ethic when you tell them "make money or starve?" They're just going to miraculously sprout all those things that employers look for in an employee and jump to the front of the hiring queue?
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Originally Posted by doc1
I'm all for legalizing prostitution but for anyone to threaten to make money illegally if they can't sit around to be supported by taxpayers is loony.
Anyway, it takes ambition and drive to be a successful criminal and a lot more effort than a measly 24 hours of effort a month.
How much effort does it take to punch an old lady in the face and run off with her purse? Or to shakedown a kid coming home from the library for their laptop?
Your assuming the majority will turn to crime.
Your assuming they will be caught.
Your assuming those convicted of a crime will actually go to prison or get a lengthy jail sentence.
Think 8 hour shift of work a week. If not working be able to demonstrate in a work training program/involved with job center. Would meet with them at least twice a week. If not any of these and need Goverment financial assistance meet requirements for disability sounds reasonable.
I think they shouldn't cap how many hours you work in regards to losing benefits. Say if you reach $40K with one child you are taken off benefits. Again it would fall in the State to set the cap to be taken off based on a formula demonstrating cost of living for various resident's. Another example if single no dependents $20K. Pay would be adjusted accordingly. So say you live in California you make $35K a year would be eligible for $5K of State benefits for the year.
WIC would not be affected it's readily available for any mother needing assistance.
If found with any substancesort outside of marijuana or prescribed medication must go to outpatient rehab, then inpatient if second time, and third time benefits are suspended for 6 month's.
If found guilty of selling any illegal substances outside of marijuana benefits are suspended indefinitely.
Benefits unless on disability should only be good for 48 month's.
Your assuming the majority will turn to crime.
Your assuming they will be caught.
Your assuming those convicted of a crime will actually go to prison or get a lengthy jail sentence.
And you're assuming that someone who's so lazy they can't be bothered to work 24 hours a MONTH, somehow has the drive and skillsets to be an employee somewhere.
Let's assume this Joe Layabout really does try to get a job even though he hates the thought of working... Do you really think there aren't going to be better qualified people also applying to those jobs? What happens when employers see him for what he is and opt to hire the other guys, who actually seem like they could be good employees...?
Now you have someone who doesn't want to work, can't get a job, and doesn't have any money to feed himself. How exactly do you see that scenario playing out?
But you're right... him turning to crime is the far less likely outcome.
I saw an interesting documentary the other day about poverty in the US. One single mother with 5 kids in New York lost all aid when she got a raise from $8/hr to $11/hr. She was worse off with that raise than before it.
The threshold should be updated to current COL, imho. Then people will be more empowered by working than they would otherwise.
These are also the same people who on average breed a lot more than the rest of us. This is another huge cause of poverty that nobody wants to tackle because it is politically incorrect to say anything.
We have all seen the single mom with half a dozen kids from 5 different father's on welfare. Anyone who claims to have never seen this is a damn liar.
These people without the mental capacity to plan their lives breed out many kids ensuring the next generation will be just as dependent on the system as they are.
I have never found a single mom with 6 kids from 5 different fathers. Many say it is common, but it must be more rare than portrayed.
I know lots of single moms with one kids. Some that have two children with two different fathers. And a whole bunch with 3 or 4 with the same father.
I saw an interesting documentary the other day about poverty in the US. One single mother with 5 kids in New York lost all aid when she got a raise from $8/hr to $11/hr. She was worse off with that raise than before it.
The threshold should be updated to current COL, imho. Then people will be more empowered by working than they would otherwise.
The answer to fixing the welfare to work transition is tapering benefits if the recipient makes more than some floor. People act like poor people aren't rational actors. If the choice is between food on your table and no food, you're going to pick food.
There shouldn't be a cliff where suddenly you're in a worse position from having a job that pays better. Her benefits should have been reduced when she got the raise, not completely eliminated.
These are the kinds of solutions we could have in this country if so many people weren't hellbent on making poor people's lives as miserable as possible. This is why we have people thinking spending $40,000 for incarceration is somehow a better solution than $2,000 for food.
These are also the same people who on average breed a lot more than the rest of us. This is another huge cause of poverty that nobody wants to tackle because it is politically incorrect to say anything.
We have all seen the single mom with half a dozen kids from 5 different father's on welfare. Anyone who claims to have never seen this is a damn liar.
These people without the mental capacity to plan their lives breed out many kids ensuring the next generation will be just as dependent on the system as they are.
Cutting off their access to an abortion and removing birth control from their health insurance plan helps perpetuate the scenario you describe.
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) or shot by a non-willing crime victim. 
