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View Poll Results: Should the US drastically reduce immigration to deal with the smaller job market caused by automatio
Yes 22 68.75%
No 6 18.75%
Not sure 4 12.50%
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:19 AM
 
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Automation will continue to slowly erode the number of jobs required in first world countries.

It's inevitable that less jobs will be available from year to year. This will cause a rise in unemployment and a corresponding rise in the cost of social programs needed to help those unemployed.

If we were to heavily restrict immigration to the US, we would see a decrease in our population due to our birth rate being less than our death rate.

Doesn't it make sense to drastically reduce the amount of immigration essentially limiting it to spouses of citizens and allowing the exceptionally talented in?

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Should the US drastically reduce immigration to deal with the smaller job market caused by automation?
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:26 AM
 
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Start with the H1B, suspend the program indefinitely.
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:31 AM
 
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My answer is how about we innovate and create jobs and educate our people to do those jobs?
Take national initiatives: space program, medical research, infrastructure work, etc...

Other countries will be experiencing the same exact problem and your solution is to not innovate but to just close our borders? Isn't that's what capitalism is all about raved by conservatives? Innovation?
Create new jobs? Do we have a department of digging holes and a department of filling holes to create jobs?

Jobs are created by need not by want.
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Create new jobs? Do we have a department of digging holes and a department of filling holes to create jobs?

Jobs are created by need not by want.
People need jobs to survive, otherwise if we adopt UBI then sure, you can remove this need of a job for survival. Unless you remove this need, you must create jobs period.

The only non-market driven force that can create a demand for jobs is the government, hence national initiatives I pointed out.
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:40 AM
 
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Create new jobs? Do we have a department of digging holes and a department of filling holes to create jobs?

Jobs are created by need not by want.

Take away their shovel and give them spoons. That way it will take thousands of workers to get the same job done. Chairman Mao made it illegal for companies in China to use any form of automation that eliminated jobs.
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:49 AM
 
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No. There are more jobs in America today than ever before. More people are employed than ever. We need to increase the minimum wage to $15 an hour and adjust it for cost of living every year and invest in re-training and schooling by making trade schools and public universities tuition free so the people who are laid off by anti-worker trade deals get a fair shot to succeed in the 21st century. This will also make America less attractive for third world immigrants by not encouraging $1 an hour crappy jobs like so many "government and federal minimum age is evil" types want to see in America.
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:51 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Start with the H1B, suspend the program indefinitely.
We agree (Sorry I promise to try to avoid this in the future)

Just read the Disney suit was dismissed. (The one where they made people train their replacements)
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Take away their shovel and give them spoons. That way it will take thousands of workers to get the same job done. Chairman Mao made it illegal for companies in China to use any form of automation that eliminated jobs.
That sounds like city workers to me. 4 men to dig a hole; one to manage, two to watch, and one to actually dig.

I had to vote not sure. We do need a robust LEGAL immigration policy. In order for an economy to grow the population has to grow as well. What we desperately need are our borders to be enforced, according to Fed laws, and the wage suppression illegals bring to be slowed or stopped.

Here in CA growers are complaining they can't get enough field workers at up to $150 a day. I'm sorry, I can't believe young American adults wouldn't pick fruit for $150 a day.

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Old 02-28-2017, 09:54 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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Yes. We can supply work by robots, they have higher IQ than some immigrants. WSJ has an article on H1B visas, mostly Indians. Cheap slavery wage, I don't hear any complaint about it.
I for one don't believe our kids who are born and raised in this country cannot fill those jobs that filled by H1B visas.
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Old 02-28-2017, 10:00 AM
 
Location: USA
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Start with the H1B, suspend the program indefinitely.
That would be a pro-labor policy, not a conservative, Republican, or libertarian policy.
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