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Old 03-07-2017, 09:03 PM
 
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Then why do so many perpetuate the myth that everyone having insurance will save money?
HC will never be cheap. More people with insurance means more patients, more testing and more treatments, meds and procedures. And more people living longer. Not the pathway towards cheap. In 100 years we will need a whole lot more money than exists today just to satisfy our peoples HC needs. I mean in terms of USD's.
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Old 03-07-2017, 09:24 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Nonsense. Keeping our people healthy when we have the resources and know how and money is not going to cause hyperinflation. Newer HC technologies have improved and extended our lives, and very much raised our people's standard of living, which has been more important than inflation.
Injecting a trillion $ or more in new money into the economy every year isn't going to cause inflation tax or hyperinflation? In what world? That'll just accelerate the downward spiral of everyone but the rich, and harm seniors and anyone else on fixed incomes the most.
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Old 03-07-2017, 09:32 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Interestingly, the stronger the safety net, the lower the fertility rate and vice- versa.

The poorer the country, the higher the fertility rate.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...ok/fields/2127
And we've already seen what needs to be done to strengthen the social safety net: implement European/Scandinavian-style regressive taxation and more and better social programs.

Flatten the income tax brackets. Middle class and above pays top tax rate. And implement a 25% VAT tax.

Too many Americans won't agree to that, especially those who want them the most, so we can't have European/Scandinavian-style social program goodies. Our tax base is too narrow, so doesn't generate enough tax revenue.
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Old 03-07-2017, 09:44 PM
 
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Poor able bodied women in the US were not enrolled in Medicaid prior to the ACA unless they were pregnant.
Not true. The low/no-income with dependent child/ren have always been eligible.
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Old 03-07-2017, 09:52 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Why not pose the question to your Senators and House Rep instead of projecting in an anymous online forum?
To prove the point that those who want the increased government services and programs (left-wingers) are those who whine and complain the most about having their taxes increased substantially to pay for it. And true to form, whine and complain they did.

Contacting Congress on this is moot because those who want the goodies don't want to pay for them, so it'll never happen.
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Old 03-07-2017, 09:55 PM
 
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Of course, the insurance company can simply CHOOSE to not cover the 'covered' patient's expenses, even if their claim is completely eligible under the plan.

That's the issue. The average person has next to no recourse if the insurance company simply decides to not pay out.

That is my concern.
Under contract law, that's not possible. Insurers are sued over that by patients, doctors, and hospitals.
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Old 03-07-2017, 10:24 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Not everybody needs a Ferrari.
Not everybody wants health care insurance. Rights matter.
FXX K

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Old 03-08-2017, 03:24 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Right. So now preventative care and screenings, no check-ups? And people who end up with cancer or tumors should just die? Type 1 diabetics, people with sickle cell and other chronic conditions should have different genes?

Great.
So simplistic.


Did I say anything about no check ups? Did I say anything about people simply dying?


What we need is a smart system. Put your resources where it's going to do the most amount of good for the least amount of money.


And if that means that great granny, aged 92, can't get everything she wants.... so be it.
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Old 03-08-2017, 05:19 AM
 
Location: Former land of plenty
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Why not pose the question to your Senators and House Rep instead of projecting in an anymous online forum?

Call, write, email, show up in person.
Decisions like Citizens United has bribery protected by the First Amendment so one has to pay to play with elected officials. The more you line their pockets the louder your voice is.

So all most of us have is this online forum, whether we support the middle class or the wealthy elite.
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Old 03-08-2017, 05:25 AM
 
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Why depend on tax calculators when you can look directly at the source?

Would you agree to those tax rates
Yes, I dont have a problem with someone making $50 000 paying 27% in total income and payroll taxes while someone making $300 000 pays 53% in total income and payroll taxes. Sweden has earned income tax credits as well, so thats part of why someone making $300 000 pays twice the rate of the middle class earner.

Regarding 25% VAT, Canada has a 5% VAT and a Medicare-for-all health care system. So I am perfectly fine with a 5% VAT even with no strengthening of unions like in Scandinavia/Europe to ensure that the middle class and poor are lifted up.
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