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why do you keep skipping over what the actual confederates said themselves? Seriously! They made it clear that they were fighting to keep blacks in slavery as long as possible. THAT WAS THE CAUSE. Stop playing stupid. Don't tell us you want to honor them, but you're lying about their own words. No slavery no war. It's that simple.
Nearly all blacks ere slaves, and the minute number who did own slaves mostly had a personal interest in them(i.e., the slaves were family).
Someone else said that several posts back and I'm not so sure that is true.
Throughout this thread, there have been posts so as to wash some hands and dirty others, because they believe it makes a difference.
In a society where slavery has ancient history and it was evolving out of the social realm in the beginning of the 1800's every one's hands were dirty and what we have here is a failure to bring about its understanding.
And just so you know, just because it is illegal, doesn't mean the trades stopped, it just means we don't talk about it any more, that way no one has to be made to feel they need to do something about it, least of all our governments, which by the way, continue to make money from it.
All of the Northern states had ended slavery, or put it on the path to extinction, by law or practice, with perhaps the exception of Delaware, by 1804.
The only one trying to "wash hands" is you. We are not denying slave ownership, but we are setting the record straight.
Delaware and Maryland were not "Northern" states. They were southern states that remained in the Union. Northern states had abolished slavery prior to the Civil War.
All of the Northern states had ended slavery, or put it on the path to extinction, by law or practice, with perhaps the exception of Delaware, by 1804.
The only one trying to "wash hands" is you. We are not denying slave ownership, but we are setting the record straight.
The states may have created state laws concerning abolishment of slavery, however, the Union government at that time held no law in its abolishment.
If all hands are dirty, how can one, wash one without (all records) including the others? Just because people know this as in all history dictates it, doesn't mean every one will acknowledge it all.
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The only one trying to "wash hands" is you.
How is it the saying goes, when a person points one finger at another, three point back to the one?
Oh, so if minuscule number of blacks owned black slaves then slavery must've been okay.
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As with the slaves of his white counterparts, occasionally Ellison's slaves ran away. The historians of Sumter District reported that from time to time Ellison advertised for the return of his runaways. On at least one occasion Ellison hired the services of a slave catcher. According to an account by Robert N. Andrews, a white man who had purchased a small hotel in Stateburg in the 1820s, Ellison hired him to run down "a valuable slave. Andrews caught the slave in Belleville, Virginia. He stated: "I was paid on returning home $77.50 and $74 for expenses.
It's okay he was re-kidnapped since his master was black.
I know that Maryland was not a Northern state, in either the geographic or cultural sense of the term. It was home to substantial rebel sympathies, and remained loyal largely because martial law was put into effect there.(Maryland had to be kept loyal by any means necessary, else the United States capital in the District of Columbia would have been completely enclosed within Confederate territory.)
Depending upon the criteria used, one could justifiably have pegged Delaware at the time of the Civil War as being Northern, Southern, Mid-Atlantic, or some combination thereof. Either way, even though legislative efforts to abolish slavery in Delaware had been unsuccessful, by the time of the 1860 census 91.7% of Delaware’s black population was free, and fewer than 1,800 slaves remained in the state — hardly a condition supportive of the notion that “many” Northerners owned slaves. Delaware was the only slave state were the majority of blacks were free.
Although, it should be noted that Maryland did abolish slavery in 1864, largely because of absentee ballots by Union soldiers from the state.
The state of New Jersey was something of an outlier. Although the New Jersey legislature passed a gradual emancipation measure in 1804 and permanently abolished slavery in 1846, the state allowed some former slaves to be reclassified as “apprentices for life” — a condition that could be considered slavery in all but name. Nonetheless, the 1860 census recorded only 18 slaves in all of New Jersey.
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Maryland had to be kept loyal by any means necessary,
The states may have created state laws concerning abolishment of slavery, however, the Union government at that time held no law in its abolishment.
If all hands are dirty, how can one, wash one without (all records) including the others? Just because people know this as in all history dictates it, doesn't mean every one will acknowledge it all.
How is it the saying goes, when a person points one finger at another, three point back to the one?
The irony being that despite the Northern states creating laws abolishing slavery, the Southern states managed to pass a FEDERAL law that preempted their Free laws. Actually criminalizing anybody who did not follow Fugitive Slave Act with threat of fines and jail time. All in an attempt to protect and retain Southern "property".
Oh, so if minuscule number of blacks owned black slaves then slavery must've been okay.
It's okay he was re-kidnapped since his master was black.
Every one (all races) is present and accounted for just means one is not above the other.
Present day slavery okay, because most human trafficking is for sex slaves with the minority of traffick victims represent slave labor, so that makes it okay?
If people spent more time on the horrors of today and in the face of their perspective government representatives and the horrible conditions facing the victims of today, perhaps we could put an end to slavery?
No, removing statues far too important and pressing issue.
The irony being that despite the Northern states creating laws abolishing slavery, the Southern states managed to pass a FEDERAL law that preempted their Free laws. Actually criminalizing anybody who did not follow Fugitive Slave Act with threat of fines and jail time. All in an attempt to protect and retain Southern "property".
Okay, so we are absolving the Union states of their participation, got it.
Every one (all races) is present and accounted for just means one is not above the other.
Present day slavery okay, because most human trafficking is for sex slaves with the minority of traffick victims represent slave labor, so that makes it okay?
If people spent more time on the horrors of today and in the face of their perspective government representatives and the horrible conditions facing the victims of today, perhaps we could put an end to slavery?
No, removing statues far too important and pressing issue.
This post is not a deflect, but an observation.
It's not an observation, it's Whatboutism. It's an attempt to detract from the heinous reality of slavery before the civil war by trying to make parallels to unrelated countries, unrelated time periods, and unrelated current events.
Start a thread about modern day sex and child trafficking and you won't find a strong case advocating for it's existence. It was be absurd for somebody to make the argument that "they're better off as a sex slave because the conditions of their native country", and yet this is a common idea shared discussing pre-industrial slavery.
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