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Yes, please lets focus on domestic issues. It is still better than paying for illegal immigrants & refugees. I dont mind using tax money for programs like planned parenthood but please lets stop foreign aid & wasting money on illegals' welfare programs. Whether we should support abortion or not are the real issues our leaders should be debating. Lets not be penny wise & pound foolish. When you are giving away billions in foreign aid & foreign wars, then debating about a few million dollars going towards planned parenthood is useless. Fix the unnecessary, big expenses first & start investing in domestic issues.
Some people have babies to get easy welfare money & some have abortions so that they dont have to go on welfare. So it is tough for me to pick a side. Depends on the person so I get the personal responsibility part.
Best post in his thread you hit the nail on the head! We spend how much on unnecessary wars on "terrorism" (oil) and how much locking people up over Marijuana and other petty offenses via the privatized prison complex?
It makes me chuckle when people are so adamant against funding programs that benefit others, but are silent like a mouse about obvious waste and corruption.
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Why don't men start taking personal responsibility for their own damned sex drive, namely by mastering it to the point where they never have sex before marriage, or at least before financial responsibility?
At any rate, the "personal responsibility" rhetoric is ultimately hyper-Libertarian propaganda masquerading as self-respect, with a heavy dose of shaming language to boot. If government shouldn't offer free birth control, then the government should not be in the business of paying for any kind of roads. A toll booth of 50 cents every time you turn onto another road (in this case, by circumstance, ALL are privately owned, and hence potentially toll roads). Abolish public schools and return to 1840 or thereabouts (or if you prefer, many modern African nations).
Also, on the broader subject of general personal responsibility, why not make ourselves responsible for repairing our own equipment (all kinds of electronics, plumbing, build your own house, and such)? Living your lives providing for your own needs WITHOUT any outside help? That may have passed muster during the 19th Century frontier farming days, with large tracts of fertile land with under 2 people per square mile. But today, that won't work - it's a "cultural fossil" from our formative years. If we tried that today, we'd end up like Afghanistan or Iraq or Somaila. Sorry, for industrial societies today (and even more so digital age ones), we depend on government and others to supply us with a realistically humane standard of living.
Officially, federal funding cannot be used to fund abortions.
Wages have been stagnant. People are working longer hours and getting less for it, all the while, inflation carries on. Abstinence is an unrealistic expectation. It's a natural impulse to want to have sex and there are large health benefits to doing so.
For what it's worth, I think birth control should be cheaper, sex education improved, and wages need to rise. I'm less concerned about abortions and in general would recommend people avoid getting them, though recognize at times that it may be a responsible option.
Pretty much this.
With the added part that birth control costs aren't just in the medication, but in the doctor visit(s) required to find the right medication that regulates a specific woman's enough to be effective with as few side effects as possible. And ensuring that the medication is still an effective option as a woman's hormones and body changes.
When I was younger and getting my first prescription birth control, it took 4 tries to find a medication that didn't cause a bad side side effect.
Edit to Add: I'm all for personal responsibility. When it comes to preventing pregnancy, I also think that there is a societal responsibility factor to ensure that all people have access to proper sexual education and access to affordable medical care services (doctors, medication, etc). If the education is given and services are both affordable and accessible, then the need for abortion will naturally diminish. It may never be completely gone, as birth control failure is a thing.
And when it comes to taxpayer-funded abortion, it should really only be a thing for pregnancies as a result of rape or an abortion done for medical necessity.
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If poor people can't afford to use Planned Parenthood, it means that poor people will create unwanted children at an even faster rate than they are now. That means more crime, more police, more prisons, more welfare, and higher taxes to pay for all of that.
Like I said get all those rich entertainers we hear so much about always going on TV and stage and complain so much to fund PP.
OR, how about we tie the tubes of any of those "poor" women after they have their FIRST child that they CAN'T take of themselves.
"Stop the PROBLEM BEFORE IT HAPPENS NOT AFTER."
Like many have said, "It is NOT our responsibility to fund other people's "pleasures."
We KNOW we CANNOT "teach" them to be sexually responsible, we CANNOT teach them to use protection, we CANNOT teach them abstinence.
Many of us believe abortion for sexual pleasure is wrong so, why NOT stop the problem in the bud to MAKE SURE THEY DO NOT GET PREGNANT AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN.
I think it's been stated time and time again that Planned Parenthood does not use tax dollars to perform abortions. Do some Planned Parenthood clinics perform abortions? Yes. Have their "books" been audited about where federal dollars go within the organization? Yes.
Women decry it's defunding because at one time or another many women have used it the absence of lack of funds for basic medical care or lack of access to a private clinic.
Does EVERY other 501(c)(3) organizations in the country get federal funds?
Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Inc. (PPFA), or Planned Parenthood, is a nonprofit organization that provides reproductive health services both in the United States and globally. It is a tax-exempt corporation under Internal Revenue Code section 501(c)(3),[4] and a member association of the International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF)
Your tax dollars do not pay for abortions. They help ensure that women are able to take responsibility, just as you are asking them to do. They pay for preventative care and access to birth control and other services that have nothing to do with obstetrics.
When I was a young married woman without health insurance, I used the local planned parenthood for my yearly checkups (at a reduced fee that I could afford out-of-pocket while my husband and I were getting our feet on the ground) and birth control at a reduced fee (I payed about the same amount out-of-pocket that I would have had we had health insurance). Planned parenthood helped ensure that we didn't end up with a baby before we could afford one, and I'll forever be grateful to them for that and the excellent care I received there as a patient.
They don't want to hear this of course. Planned Parenthood is just another convenient target, it makes them feel good to destroy it regardless of whether it has positive aspects. Trump himself said: "I would defund it, because I'm pro-life. But millions of women are helped by Planned Parenthood." So essentially the decision is to jump to destroy something rather than looking for alternative solutions. Why? Because it plays well to the base. He cares a lot more about that than he does the millions of women who are helped by Planned Parenthood.
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