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Old 03-13-2017, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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My guess is it's because you're calling his brother a welfare case.
Not just a welfare case. A lying, scheming, lazy, cheating, malingering welfare case.

Not that it matters, but I'm a she.
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Old 03-13-2017, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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And you think that because some take advantage, my brother - and the people who've where he is - must be taking advantage as well? What is wrong with your head????

I dare you to stand in front of his friend and neighbor who is confined to a stephen-hawking style wheelchair because of cerebral palsy and tell him he's taking advantage. Or his girl friend, who suffered brain damage at birth, and could never make it past first grade. I double dare you.

These people are some of the bravest and most admirable people I know.
I get it.

My brother is on the spectrum. Very bright and verbal but doesn't pick up body language or nonverbal cues at all. Thank god he found a job in a mail room and has been there since he graduated high school over 30 years ago. If it hadn't been for that I don't know what would have happened. He has no common sense at all and is constantly being taken advantage of especially in romantic relationships. Yeah, the idea of his running a business is insane.
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Old 03-13-2017, 04:35 PM
 
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I don't. The myth that people on welfare like being on it is silly. It is not a life of luxury, escalades, and lobster. Sure there are people that use welfare to supplement what little income they make but they at least work to some degree and those people generally do what they can to get off of welfare and many welfare systems have things in place to get people off of it, as a few of you have already stated.
Tend to agree with this
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Old 03-13-2017, 04:35 PM
 
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"Do you know anyone completely living on government welfare?"

No, I do not.

I know some people who have taken some forms of welfare, particularly when they were down on their luck (out of a job or some other major familiar emergency) - but never "completely living on".

I question what kind of life that would even be and whether someone would even want it...

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Old 03-13-2017, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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I with you on that. Our family never took help. After my 76yo mother had a massive stroke and needed 24/7 care we tried to get her help but she was just above the income limit of poverty ($5.82 above) and doors slammed in her face, no help. Mom can barely walk and if she does, it's all of to the bathroom, rest and back and believe me she'd rather work than live like this.

And then we have a cd member who accepts behavioral issues as an acceptable reason to get welfare while an 76 yo elderly woman who can't walk can't get any help. There's something majorly wrong with the system.
The rules are this strict because people LIKE YOU demand that they be strict.

It's hard to get help. Doesn't your own experience tell you this????

And my brother, just like your mother, would rather be working.

I know. How about YOU hire him, and YOU be his job coach?

Or, if you're not in the Orange County, CA area, how about YOU go out of your way to help a person on the spectrum have a job? Then you'll know what you're talking about, and you'll be a part of the solution.

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Old 03-13-2017, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Austin
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I know no one who has ever been on welfare. I've known parents, including my own employed parents who both worked and supported our family, who fed their children beans and cornbread during rough economic times rather than ask government for assistance. Almost every family has rough financial times at some time in their lives.

My siblings and I turned out well, including having college educations and careers. So did my friends. Receiving welfare was an embarrassment until recently.

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Old 03-13-2017, 05:05 PM
 
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The rules are this strict because people LIKE YOU demand that they be strict.

It's hard to get help. Doesn't your own experience tell you this????

And my brother, just like your mother, would rather be working.

I know. How about YOU hire him, and YOU be his job coach?
Yet somehow able bodied people are able to get around them and the honest and truly disabled get doors slammed in their faces.
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Old 03-13-2017, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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what was the point of this thread?
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Old 03-13-2017, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada
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And now we're back to ... if people would stop defending the people who shouldn't be defended... people who are able to work, women making babies they can't support, dead beat dads shirking their responsibilities knowing the tax payer will be forced to pay for them. These are the people who make everyone look bad. Stop defending them and support programs where they have to work like the rest of us.

People don't mind helping, even want to help but NO ONE wants to be abused. And that's what these people are doing, they are abusing good, honest, hard working Americans.


I'm not defending people who abuse the system. Where did you see me type that?
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Old 03-13-2017, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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I get it.

My brother is on the spectrum. Very bright and verbal but doesn't pick up body language or nonverbal cues at all. Thank god he found a job in a mail room and has been there since he graduated high school over 30 years ago. If it hadn't been for that I don't know what would have happened. He has no common sense at all and is constantly being taken advantage of especially in romantic relationships. Yeah, the idea of his running a business is insane.
Your brother is lucky to have found this job, and kudos to the company that continues to employ him so that he feels like a real person. They're obviously really good folks, because he is undoubtedly not the easiest-to-manage employee they have.

And kudos to you.
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