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In the American system you are covered for certain procedures, and everything else you pay out of pocket. The doctor will check sometimes when things are not covered under your insurance.
Now, for Single Pay Systems, all those elective procedures need to be approved by the government.
Wrong again.
Elective procedures being what exactly; knees, hips, shoulder replacements, or botox injections to plump up your buttocks or fish lips? Do you even know what constitutes elective procedures in every other country that has a universal or single payer system?
I think you have a gross misunderstanding about what might constitute "elective procedures".
If you are attempting to suggest an elective procedure might be one that includes hair plugs then yes, you will be denied payment for that unless it forms a part of reconstructive cosmetic surgery from an injury or fire.
If you're going to float the balloon that something like gender assignment surgery comes under an "elective procedure" heading and denied coverage in most countries providing universal/single payer, you'd be WRONG!
The only person who decides your necessary surgery is your doctor and specialist. The government in a single payer system (as you've incorrectly suggested) has NOTHING whatsoever to do with that decision.
If you're going to float the balloon that something like gender assignment surgery comes under an "elective procedure" heading in most countries providing universal/single payer, you'd be WRONG!
I'm an old fogey, my brain doesn't even go in that direction. Nor do I really know what you're trying to say. But I wish you all the luck with your gender reassignment.
In contrast, I never had to wait longer than 1 week. Whether it was for MRIs, Thyroid ultrasounds, colonoscopies, etc. And all of that is simply elective and preventative.
You are ignoring the obvious of the urgency nature of the elective and preventative procedure.
Should your procedure be a routine scheduled yearly exam then you might wait those 18 weeks but if it's associated with a need to verify a pending diagnosis, every example I've ever seen gets fast tracked.
Why exactly is it do you think that those other countries abandoned the U.S. model of 'free-enterprise-for-profit' medicine to go with (and STAY for decades) an alternate model, even knowing the tax implications to each and everyone involved?
Why exactly is it do you think that those other countries abandoned the U.S. model of 'free-enterprise-for-profit' medicine to go with (and STAY for decades) an alternate model, even knowing the tax implications to each and everyone involved?
One word - Idiocracy. Society begins to pander to the dumbest and poorest because they outnumber everyone else.
And unfortunately these people seem to believe they're entitled to more and more. Give a homeless beggar $1 and he might ask for another.
Now, waiting so long for elective procedures is not my cup of tea. I will fight any Public Health Care as long as I live.
No, it said peers. Good or bad neither Norway, Switzerland or any of the other nations on that list are our peers and it's not even close.
So who would you consider are your peers, if not other modern developed countries?
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Not if you're the 75 year old.
And who do you determine who has priority? Well the doctor who gets to treat them ofcourse, and they usually will go with who pays them more.
Er no, if the doctor has any sense of ethics they will treat the person who is in most urgent need of care - that's how it works in a public system and the only reasonable way for it to work. You don't ignore something having a heart attack because someone with a broken arm is offering more money or got there first.
I'm an old fogey, my brain doesn't even go in that direction. Nor do I really know what you're trying to say. But I wish you all the luck with your gender reassignment.
As an old fogey myself, I knew you would deflect from the point of the term "elective procedures" covering virtually EVERY procedure other than those deemed medically urgent as life saving.
Had you read those links it would have been readily evident you were wrong in your statement that in a single payer system, the government must approve every elective procedure.
Indeed; even some of those "elective procedures" such as 'gender reassignment' being the best example I could come up with, on the face of it deemed frivolous by one such as yourself, will be covered if the medical practitioners involved deem it "medically necessary".
One word - Idiocracy. Society begins to pander to the dumbest and poorest because they outnumber everyone else.
And unfortunately these people seem to believe they're entitled to more and more. Give a homeless beggar $1 and he might ask for another.
Now, waiting so long for elective procedures is not my cup of tea. I will fight any Public Health Care as long as I live.
You've just described America in all it's present day glory.
"Unfortunately" for you those who think healthcare should be a universally available concept to all of a country's (especially one calling itself "advanced") citizens and be willing to be taxed accordingly, outnumber the "dumbies" in the room.
It has been explained to you already that should your elective procedure be urgently required medically, you won't wait. You'd rather continue with the memes of "freebies" and "unreasonable wait times".
It has been explained to you already that should your elective procedure be urgently required medically, you won't wait. You'd rather continue with the memes of "freebies" and "unreasonable wait times".
Why are you focusing on urgent? I currently don't wait for non-urgent, elective procedures. I get routine preventative care that is not urgent by any means, and is very expensive to do all of it.
You're rambling but not making much sense. When things are urgent, I don't wait. When things are not urgent, I don't wait. If your sales pitch is - when it gets urgent, then you won't wait - sorry that's worse then what I have.
And unfortunately these people seem to believe they're entitled to more and more.
You just described Comcast to a T and the unfortunate thing is the government gives it to them because they're a monopoly so their entitlement is backed.
Why are you focusing on urgent? I currently don't wait for non-urgent, elective procedures. I get routine preventative care that is not urgent by any means, and is very expensive to do all of it.
You're rambling but not making much sense. When things are urgent, I don't wait. When things are not urgent, I don't wait. If your sales pitch is - when it gets urgent, then you won't wait - sorry that's worse then what I have.
And neither do I wait for things like routinely scheduled colonoscopies, ultrasounds, blood tests, dermatology address's. I phone my doc, schedule an appointment which has never in my life been more than a weeks wait, go through my twice yearly check up and get my scrips for whatever procedures he and my specialists deem necessary and get them done in a timely manner never exceeding a couple of weeks wait time.
Never have had to wait and I've dealt with any number of medical/surgical issues from multiple eye surgeries one full surgical open knee repair to two arthoscopic knee repairs, an artificial stapes/stirrup replacement to any number of out-patient procedures in my 70 plus years. The difference is; I have no idea of their costs, never been billed for any of them.
You are talking about systems you have no experience with and choose to cherry pick an issue that doesn't affect anyone negatively. THAT is why I've mentioned the urgent nature of ANY elective procedure while you continue to ignore the reality of a bowel resection being an 'elective procedure' in the definitions. No one would wait for that one regardless of whatever country you choose to pick. Get it?
I have spent 6 months of every year since 2001 in the southern climes of the U.S. and am well aware from interactions with Americans of all walks of life just how ineffectual and downright dangerous this healthcare provision conundrum can be for Americans. The overall ignorance of ones who insist every other country's got it wrong while Americans continue to die by the thousands from illnesses either denied or deliberately left untreated due to cost issues is mindnumbing.
I'm not trying to sell you a darn thing. I'm rebutting your woefully erroneous offerings.
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