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I think Trump comes out of this smelling like a rose.
Ryancare failed. This was a major blow to Paul Ryan's leadership. - Trump winner.
No Trumpcare. i.e. Trump doesn't mess caused by repealing Obamacare - Trump winner.
Obamacare - Democrats now own it again. Trump can say they tried to fix it, but Democrats wouldn't help. - Trump winner.
People don't realize that Trump isn't a politician and isn't playing such a game. He's done 3 things.
Neutralized the neverTrumper, Paul Ryan
No longer held to his campaign promise of repealing Obamacare. (he tried)
Democrats retake ownership 100% of Obamacare.
Bless your heart, you are so *cute!*
Trump claimed to have a wonderful plan to replace ACA. He didn't. - Trump loser
Trump adopted Ryan's plan and made it his own, in spite of the fact that it fulfilled none of his campaign promises. Democrats hated it, and he couldn't even get his own party fully behind it, despite all his threats and bluster. - Trump loser
Obamacare - Democrats have always owned it. No one expected them to go for Trumpcare, yet he blames them for its failure, in spite of the fact that it was actually torpedoed by members of his own party. - Trump loser
People realize that Trump is not the dealmaker he claimed to be. He has, however, done three things.
Neutralized the guy who said he "knocked the ball out of the park" on unifying the party, even while selling out his populist message to embrace said guy, who is a member of the establishment he ran against.
Still held to his promise to make sure all Americans are "taken care of." (Did not try.)
Republicans take 100% ownership of a complete disaster.
Please keep your day job. You do not have a future in public relations.
Hey the Demoncats are going to throw every possible roadblock his way...nothing to see here...move along.
You mean like how the republicans roadblocked Obama? Yeah, that's how partisan politics works. Not good for republicans, not good for democrats, not good for any of us.
How about us? Congressional elections coming up in 2018.
Most members of the Freedom Caucus are in districts where it's virtually impossible for a Democrat to defeat them, assuming the Democrats even run a candidate in those districts. I am talking about districts where the GOP candidate gets like 70%+ of the vote ... if they even face a Democrat challenger at all.
A primary challenge from a (more) moderate Republican is possible, it happened with Tim Huelskamp last year. But I wouldn't count on a larger scale rebellion, the Freedom Caucus gets enormous amounts of support from right wing talk radio hosts, internet blogs, and from groups like the Heritage Foundation which all make a primary challenge very, very tough.
Only if the rose bush recently received a large amount of fertilizer.
TRUMPCare...the President took ownership of it when he started figuratively dragging Republican congressmen into the White House and rewrote entire sections in an attempt to cut a deal.
This logically means that his TrumpCare failure is a success...very NewSpeak.
But Trump said he was gonna fix it - he didn't. Sort of like a mechanic who promises to fix your car, takes your money (or in this case, your vote) and fails to fix your car. #TrumpFail.
Oh he's definitely not a politician. A politician wouldn't have mucked it up so badly.
Only if Paul Ryan loses his position as leader of the House. Ryan, doesn't lose, he could actually challenge Trump in 2020 for the Presidency.
Promise made...promise broken. Voters really like that...NOT.
Oh, no...it's Trump's problem now. You don't get to claim that you're the only one who can fix things...and then fail to fix them.
And then today, after failing to get the numbers to vote, Trump says " there were things in this bill I really did not like".
Sour grapes and all that.
Freedom Caucus has been emboldened by their ability to defeat it and they have the financial backing of Koch.
How much will Trump's presidency be affected by the results of the health care bill vote?
Repealing & replacing Obamacare was one of the top platforms of Trump's presidential run.
If the vote passes today, that would be a huge gold star for Trump. But if the bill doesn't pass, will that mean anything? Trump laying down his "ultimatum" of today's vote, vowing to move on if it doesn't pass and keeping Obamacare would be a "fail" in many peoples eyes.
I know bills meet opposition all the time. But this early on, with one of Trump's staple campaign "promises" risking not passing, could paint a negative image on Trump's ability to "get things done" in Washington. I think there will be more backlash against trump if the bill doesn't pass for that reason.
Thoughts?
I think you are right that this reflects very poorly on Trump's whole image of the Great Dealmaker.
"I alone can fix it" was such a stunning statement and now it sounds ridiculous. I think he missed Civics classes which would have educated him on how this country is governed - hint, it is not a dictatorship.
Trump couldn't even corral his own party, although all the blame was placed on the Democrats. He gambled on an ultimatum and it backfired.
I think many Trump voters may be waiting quite awhile for the winning, winning, winning to happen. They sure aren't "sick of winning" yet with the travel ban thwarted by the Judiciary, and now the healthcare bill defeated by his own party. Not to mention the ongoing Congressional and FBI investigations.
Compromises need to be made in Congress for the good of our whole country, but Trump calling the Democratic leaders today the "real losers" sounds like an eighth grade bully.
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This is a disaster for Trump. All but the most brainwashed of cult members now sees him for what he is. He's ineffective, weak, incompetent, a horrible negotiator and unwilling to stand for anything.
His entire macho deal maker persona was shattered in one non-vote.
Trump's obviously mad and must be primed for a Twitter outburst tomorrow morning. Just wonder if he will make it another wiretap style fiasco like last time. I almost hope he goes the twitter route again. It will make for another whole week of entertainment.
Right now, the WH is putting out the word that Trump didn't want to do health care (despite screaming his rallying cry of Repeal and Replace to his cults chants), but was 'talked into it' by Reince Priebus. My thoughts are Priebus is not long for this job--sacrificial lamb.
My thoughts are Obama is in Tahiti drinking Mai-Tais with someone along the lines of Richard Branson being greatly amused, and that Boehner is in his Fla condo getting bombed and laughing his head off. Spicy is working on his resume and planning an escape out of the Job from Hell.
I agree -- tax reform would have been the way to go. Trump has more ideas in that regard that both parties can sink their teeth into but from what I understand the health care act has a direct impact on the tax revenue side of things and I guess on the Medicare/Medicaid budget.
Tax reform isn't going to be an easy thing for him to get through, either, given all of the powerful and well-heeled special interests with skin in the game. And getting the funding for his border wall and trillion dollar infrastructure plan may not be an easy sell either. The military buildup may be the easiest pargt of his agenda to get through...but there will be controversy there too.
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