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Old 03-25-2017, 09:36 AM
 
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There is a lot of difference between a poll regarding an election and one asking an opinion. Let me try to help you:

If you conduct a poll and ask 'who will you vote for?' you have to consider how likely the respondent is to vote, and how likely they are to change their mind, various questions are posed to try to determine that but they are not always accurate. Also, the percentage advantage that Clinton had (around 2%) was very accurate, but the distribution of those votes failed to secure a win. Even at that, most polls close to the election showed Trump with a 20% chance of winning. That means if you ran a simulation 5 times between Trump and Clinton, Trump would win once and Clinton would win 4 times. So bottom line is the polls were not that far off.

In an opinion poll things are much more straightforward. The questions are simple: "do you approve of Trump" yes or no. Then you calculate the results

See,that wasn't so hard was it?
Whatever you're talking about is electorally irrelevant.

That's all that matters.

Elections.

Both for Trump and for members of congress.
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Old 03-25-2017, 09:40 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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File under "neener neener neener."

If you really believe that Congress sees its job as doing what is best for the American people, then you haven't been paying attention for the last twenty years.

They are there to serve the special interests that support them and to try to get reelected.
You're right about that, and I'm right too. Congress members' ultimate goal is to get reelected. They saw this crappy bill as a minefield they wanted no part of. Trump's empty threat of ? meant nothing to them compared to the very real threat the American people pose in the near future: being voted out of office if they passed it.
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Old 03-25-2017, 09:44 AM
 
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Liberals, if you guys would stop focusing on the wealthy you'd realize the middle class gets a nice tax cut too.
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Old 03-25-2017, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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With their stubbornness on the healthcare bill, it's going to be very difficult to impossible for real tax reform. We could still cut tax rates, but actual tax reform is near impossible now, which is the reason why Trump wanted to address healthcare first. A lot of people who normally wouldn't vote came out this election to support Trump and give him the House and Senate. They are completely letting down Trump.

I hope Trump will bypass the Freedom Caucus and work with Moderate Republicans and Democrats on as many issues possible such as infrastructure.
First, why do we need to cut tax-rates? Do the rich not have enough money? When Obama was President, the one thing most on Republican tongues was "the ballooning debt." Now when they are in power, they don't talk about that much but once again want to cut taxes (primarily on the rich) which will add $10 trillion to the debt in ten years (from Trump's campaign plan.)

Second, the thread title is: "Trump should move to the left and work with Democrats after the Freedom Caucus sabotages Trump's efforts." For Trump to move to the left, he would have to admit that his mantra that "Obamacare is imploding " (which it isn't) was just BS. He also would have to abandon everything he said about the ACA. He's not going to do that.

Third, to make the ACA better, which means address complaints of premiums being too high and deductibles being too high, requires more subsidies, not less, that are in every GOP plan. Republicans aren't going to accept that.

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Old 03-25-2017, 09:50 AM
 
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First, why do we need to cut tax-rates? Do the rich not have enough money? When Obama was President, the one time most on Republican tongues was "the ballooning debt." Now when they are in power, they don't talk about that much but once again want to cut taxes (primarily on the rich) which will add $10 trillion to the debt in ten years (from Trump's campaign plan.)

Second, the thread title is: "Trump should move to the left and work with Democrats after the Freedom Caucus sabotages Trump's efforts." For Trump to move to the left, he would have to admit that his mantra that "Obamacare is imploding " (which it isn't) was just BS. He also would have to abandon everything he said about the ACA. He's not going to do that.

Third, to make the ACA better, which means address complaints of premiums being too high and deductibles being too high, requires more subsidies, not less, that are in every GOP plan. Republicans aren't going to accept that.
1) taxes are too high on all income levels as is and the government wastes plenty of money. cut tax rates and eliminate some deductions.

2) obamacare will implode as more insurance companies leave and prices skyrocketing. my gf has a bronze plan with a huge deductible and only 50% copay for $250 month and she is only 23 years old. it's crazy!

3) we need to create multiple plans instead of one size fits all. we also need to get rid of state lines to increase competition.
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Old 03-25-2017, 09:51 AM
 
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Generals use a dictatorial style of leadership, and Eisenhower did very well as president.
The military is still the government, and has to work within government to get things done. Business does not. Even the military is affected by politics.
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Old 03-25-2017, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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He is in a unique position to return American politics to bi-partisanship. He is politically powerful enough to smack down extremists in both parties if he has a mind to do so. There are any number of areas where his promises on the campaign trail and longstanding Democratic policy would converge.

He actually (I can't believe I am writing this) could turn this presidency into a great one.
Yeah, we say how powerful he was on repealing the ACA. He couldn't get the House, that has 44 more Republicans to pass it.

The guy has a 37% approval rating.

In the meantime, we see him recklessly gutting air and water standards that are going to result in Americans getting sick. He promised not to touch Medicare and Social Security and now he's working with Ryan to lower both. He promised that the Keystone pipeline would be made from US steel, and it will not be. We see countless other promises that have been reneged. Why should Democrats even try a pact with someone so unreliable?
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Old 03-25-2017, 09:54 AM
 
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1) taxes are too high as is and the government wastes plenty of money

2) obamacare will implode as more insurance companies leave and prices skyrocketing. my gf has a bronze plan with a huge deductible and only 50% copay for $250 month and she is only 23 years old. it's crazy!

3) we need to create multiple plans instead of one size fits all. we also need to get rid of state lines to increase competition.
1. No they are not. Stop overindulging and blaming taxes for your excesses.

2. The only places insurance companies are largely leaving are those with a political ax to grind (if you don't let us merge, we'll leave!) and counties with small economies of scale.

3. The ENTIRE problem of our healthcare system is that it's TOO decentralized. Too many payors that are so spread out, making insurance pools more ineffective. Insurance only works when you have a large enough pool to pay in. The smaller the pool, the higher your costs
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Old 03-25-2017, 09:58 AM
 
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1. No they are not. Stop overindulging and blaming taxes for your excesses.

2. The only places insurance companies are largely leaving are those with a political ax to grind (if you don't let us merge, we'll leave!) and counties with small economies of scale.

3. The ENTIRE problem of our healthcare system is that it's TOO decentralized. Too many payors that are so spread out, making insurance pools more ineffective. Insurance only works when you have a large enough pool to pay in. The smaller the pool, the higher your costs
1) they are high and there are too many deductions
2) pretty much the entire country saw double digit increases for 2017 and some over 100%
3) either have true universal healthcare paid by a national sales tax for everyone or go back to how health insurance used to be because it is simply unaffordable for people in the grey zone.
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Old 03-25-2017, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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1) taxes are too high on all income levels as is and the government wastes plenty of money. cut tax rates and eliminate some deductions.

2) obamacare will implode as more insurance companies leave and prices skyrocketing. my gf has a bronze plan with a huge deductible and only 50% copay for $250 month and she is only 23 years old. it's crazy!

3) we need to create multiple plans instead of one size fits all. we also need to get rid of state lines to increase competition.
On your 1): Yeah, the old waste and abuse argument for cutting spending -- as Trump increase the defense budget. This is what you need to know, think of the federal government, in terms of spending, as an insurance company with an army. The big five is what matters, Defense, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and interest on the debt is the big picture. Trying to cut stationary use at the Interior Department or cutting Meals on Wheels is insignificant to the total spending. If you goal is smaller government, you need to talk about cutting the big five or you have no idea what you are talking about.

2) According to the CBO's report last week, the ACA is sustainable. But you know, just know, that it is imploding. (Pssst, your girlfriend has the Bronze plan that SHE chose. If she didn't want high deductibles and high copays she should have bought a better plan (silver, gold, platinum) instead of the cheapest plan. That's capitalism, you get what you pay for. Stop whining.)

3) We have multiple plans. (Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum)
This is the Problem With G.O.P. Plans to Sell Health Insurance Across State Lines
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