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Old 04-01-2017, 07:36 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Originally Posted by BeerGeek40 View Post
There shouldn't be any deficits at all!


There should be a BALANCED BUDGET AMMENDMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001 our federal budget was in surplus (there were no deficits.)

http://federal-budget.insidegov.com/l/101/1998
http://federal-budget.insidegov.com/l/102/1999
http://federal-budget.insidegov.com/l/103/2000
http://federal-budget.insidegov.com/l/104/2001


But then GW Bush reduced taxes on the richest 1% of Americans and started the unnecessary Iraq war, and those actions caused our surpluses to turn into huge deficits.

Bush Tax Cuts After 2002: June 2002 CTJ Analysis
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.2a1196196b2d


Unless republicans start to comprehend what causes deficits and debt growth a balanced budget amendment will do nothing, nothing except cut needed government programs to pay for supply side/trickle down tax cuts for the richest 1% of Americans.

And Donald Trump stands ready to do the same thing GW Bush did. Trumps tax cuts will give 47% of their benefits to the richest 1% of Americans. And Trumps tax cuts will raise our debt by $7 trillion over the first 10 years and raise our debt by $20.7 trillion over 20 years.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetno.../#490a854065b9
https://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway.../#757c856f6554
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Old 04-01-2017, 10:05 PM
 
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The post speaks for itself.
Here Momo, let me put in really simple terms for you.

Ill - Evil Barack Obama lit the nation's house on fire! Bad Barack Obama!

djmilf - Hey, maybe someone should fix the problem instead of standing around complaining about it....hey, Donald Trump has complete command of the Fire Department....oh, wait....they're all fighting each other instead of putting out the fire!

Momo - That's DEFLECTION!

djmilf - uh, no...that's pointing out that it's silly to winge about things but not expect it to be taken care of by the people who are supposed to take care of it.

Momo - I KNOW YOU ARE, BUT WHAT AM I?
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Old 04-01-2017, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Here Momo, let me put in really simple terms for you.

Ill - Evil Barack Obama lit the nation's house on fire! Bad Barack Obama!

djmilf - Hey, maybe someone should fix the problem instead of standing around complaining about it....hey, Donald Trump has complete command of the Fire Department....oh, wait....they're all fighting each other instead of putting out the fire!

Momo - That's DEFLECTION!

djmilf - uh, no...that's pointing out that it's silly to winge about things but not expect it to be taken care of by the people who are supposed to take care of it.

Momo - I KNOW YOU ARE, BUT WHAT AM I?







The original posts speak for themselves.
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Old 04-02-2017, 12:07 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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notice how liberals never answer questions directly - they always deflect.

waiting for real answers...

i'm going to have to read jetgraphics post about 10 times to understand most of it. what I do know is that there is far more [bogus] debt than assets globally -- and if there is ever a system reset, many people may lose most of what they think they had. Not to mention things they don't have yet but were promised... those pesky unfunded liabilities - i.e. - socialism.
The debt is fraudulent, as well as mathematically impossible to repay.
The debt is denominated in dollars (gold / silver coin), while federal reserve notes (dollar bills) are IOUs (debt). Congress never borrowed 19+ trillion dollars (950 billion ounces of gold), since the world supply (est) is only 5.6 billion ounces.
But no one can challenge the validity of the bogus debt, pursuant to clause 4, 14th amendment, USCON.

Yes, we're [expletive deleted] !
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Old 04-02-2017, 08:42 AM
 
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I pulled out a 5 dollar bill from my wallet and looked at it. On the top it says "Federal Reserve Note", and at the bottom it says "Five Dollars". So I think what Jetgraphics is getting at is that the 5 dollar bill that I have is a debt instrument (note), not money. It is a claim against money IF that money is there - which it's not. So all of the "money" that people think they have is not money at all - it is merely a bunch of worthless debt "notes" in paper or digital form. The federal reserve notes are the currency we use -- and currency is not money.

If that is a correct analysis - it is scary as hel*.

Last edited by illtaketwoplease; 04-02-2017 at 09:49 AM..
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Old 04-04-2017, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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I pulled out a 5 dollar bill from my wallet and looked at it. On the top it says "Federal Reserve Note", and at the bottom it says "Five Dollars". So I think what Jetgraphics is getting at is that the 5 dollar bill that I have is a debt instrument (note), not money. It is a claim against money IF that money is there - which it's not. So all of the "money" that people think they have is not money at all - it is merely a bunch of worthless debt "notes" in paper or digital form. The federal reserve notes are the currency we use -- and currency is not money.

If that is a correct analysis - it is scary as hel*.
Congratulations. You got it. Politely ask your congressman and senators to explain it.
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Old 04-04-2017, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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There shouldn't be any deficits at all!
There should be a BALANCED BUDGET AMMENDMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually, there is a good reason to not have a balanced budget.
The last time CONgress accidentally balanced the budget (1999-2000) was during the dot com boom which rapidly became the dot com bust.

Most people are unaware that dollar bills are IOUs (debt) that are authorized by CONgress borrowing more (deficit spending). See: Title 12 USC Sec. 411.

Since usury (interest) requires an ever growing money token supply, CONgress must always keep borrowing to authorize more dollar bills to be printed. And since these notes are borrowed, at interest, MORE debt is needed to service the debt.

Yes, this is insane.
No, you cannot challenge it, pursuant to Clause 4, 14th amendment, USCON.

Remember, CONgress has no power to CREATE money. It is delegated power to COIN MONEY (stamp bullion) or BORROW MONEY. CONgress cannot create bullion.

Since 1933, CONgress has been dead broke, issuing worthless repudiated IOUs (Federal Reserve Notes), that are not redeemable in lawful money.

And if you're a participant in FICA, you're an obligated party, pledged as collateral on that bogus debt.


http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12773.htm
● How much U.S. currency is in circulation?

● There was approximately $1.5 trillion in circulation as of February 22, 2017, of which $1.47 trillion was in Federal Reserve notes.
U.S. Population (2017) : 326,474,013
>>> $4,502.65 per capita <<<

Federal Budget (2017): $3.65 Trillion

How does government spend $3.65 T when there is only $1.47 T in circulation?
>>WHOOSH<<
The "Velocity of Money" - the speed by which the scarce and finite medium of exchange must pass from wallet to wallet lest the muggles find out about the Giant Scam in place.
That's why no one seems to have any spare cash despite inflation.
It's not a case of "too much money chasing too few goods."
Folks are strapped for cash. And the rich are not bidding up the price for milk and eggs.
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