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Again we're using that term without really defining it. See my post above. Is "liberal" to mean we "allow more" -- individuals are more free and powerful -- or is "liberal" to mean we put more power in the hands of a central planning authority?
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Originally Posted by greywar
...and then make a sharp turn to libertarian. And technology will be the driver.
Certainly what's usually missing from these discussions is the enormous impact new technologies (artificial intellect, AR/VR, internet of everything, Smart Dust, nano and smaller technology, fusion, self-driving and autonomous vehicles / drones / robots, "x without y" technologies, simplified DNA programming, ectogenesis, etc.) are going to have on civilization. But I see it as a sharp turn toward another direction.
It could be we're mincing timeframes. But I think once a couple of generations submit to artificial intellect first doing most of the intellectual labor and next making a lot of the policy and resource decisions, once UBI is how most of the humans subsist, once we have technology monitoring and cataloging literally everything our bodies and brains do 100 times per second, once a lot of the world is automated and most of the humans spend most of their time in VR, we'll have a kind of technologically-enforced communism.
I'm not cheerleading for any of that. I just think it's our future.
Dream on. Slapping 'liberal' label on democrats doesnt make the party liberal. They are self-loathing, delusional & ignorant people who want the world to be one big hippie commune. Europe tried that strategy & got invaded easily. I dont hate liberals but pity them for their lack of awareness of third world countries & their cultures. Leaders like Merkel, Hillary have used this ignorance to sell invasion to the West. I would rather have a president who is a jerk & a bully but also patriotic, rather than a sweet talking traitor who would sell her country to the enemies.
I am a conservative & I am strictly against racism, discrimination, sexism, homophobia. I used to be a democrat but they lost my support last election by turning into traitors & bullies. They bought the media & thought they could brainwash the country into approving illegal immigration & unconditional support for refugees at the cost of our safety & future. No thanks. I cant afford to be called a 'liberal' anymore so I switched sides.
That's the spirit, Snowflake. You've lost the House. You've lost the Senate. You've lost the Presidency. You've lost representation at every level of government; but rather than engage in some messy introspection and wondering if maybe there's something wrong with your message, you're going to double down on unwarranted optimism--because it's brought you to where you are today: rock bottom.
That's the spirit, Snowflake. You've lost the House. You've lost the Senate. You've lost the Presidency. You've lost representation at every level of government; but rather than engage in some messy introspection and wondering if maybe there's something wrong with your message, you're going to double down on unwarranted optimism--because it's brought you to where you are today: rock bottom.
Don't you just LOVE to watch them waller in their own tears?
Historically.. all developed (and free) countries become more Liberal over time. The U.S. included.
We are going to see increased Liberal turn out in the coming years due to this Trump situation. This is bad for Cons.
Another problem is highly educated people are usually more Liberal. Many people enter college as Cons and leave as Liberals. Then you have the media. Then you have the economic engine of all the big cities where Liberals dominate.
There really isn't anything to keep Conservatism strong outside of anger, racism and nationalism. Most Cons in power are not even true conservatives. They talk conservatism to get votes, then support bi-partisan or liberal policies once in office.
Big businesses support Cons for the tax benefits, but not the ideology. Most CEO's don't care about abortion or family values at all. They are snorting cocaine and sleeping with their secretary while married.
I'm not sure what the Cons will do after Trump implodes in the near future.
Historically.. all developed (and free) countries become more Liberal over time. The U.S. included.
We are going to see increased Liberal turn out in the coming years due to this Trump situation. This is bad for Cons.
Another problem is highly educated people are usually more Liberal. Many people enter college as Cons and leave as Liberals. Then you have the media. Then you have the economic engine of all the big cities where Liberals dominate.
There really isn't anything to keep Conservatism strong outside of anger, racism and nationalism. Most Cons in power are not even true conservatives. They talk conservatism to get votes, then support bi-partisan or liberal policies once in office.
Big businesses support Cons for the tax benefits, but not the ideology. Most CEO's don't care about abortion or family values at all. They are snorting cocaine and sleeping with their secretary while married.
I'm not sure what the Cons will do after Trump implodes in the near future.
Like we said a long time ago. Split the country in half geographically speaking from North to South (like use the Mississippi River for the dividing line so each half gets warm and cold weather and a coastline and ask adults (children go with their parents until 18) to voluntarily move to Liberalville or Conservativeville if they are in the wrong place, now. Assume each side will determine their own type of government and structure (i.e., states/no states) and laws. Assume each will be their own countries with their own trade deals and will still probably trade with each other.
Where do you think the criminals/gangs will choose when they know libs will give them lighter sentences and decriminalize some crimes? Which side do you think the dope addicts will choose? Where will the terrorists go? The side who outlaws guns or Conservativeville where everyone may be armed? Which side do you think the military and police will choose? The one that appreciates them more or the one that appreciates them less? How about people on some type of long term public assistance? The side who gives them free stuff or the side that doesn't? Where do you think most of the businesses will go? The side with higher taxes and more regulations? Lastly, who do you think will now have to shoulder the tax burden for all of the Liberalville government programs?
How long will it take for Liberalville to be invaded?
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