UC Berkeley: Student GOP group suing because they dont like the date the University told them to have Ann Coulter speak? (Mexican, lawyer)

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

When they university and the city sit to the side instead of instilling peace they are encouraging the use of violence by antifa leading conservative groups to arm themselves since the police refuse to intervene.

People forget the 2nd amen is their to protect the 1st. I hope that doesn't end up happening in Berkeley.

You're saying that the university is encouraging the use of violence. That is utter nonsense. In fact, the university in this case did all it could to discourage not only violence, but peaceful protest, by scheduling the talk during a time when students wouldn't have time to protest. For that, they are being sued by the student group who invited the speaker.

Seems the university is damned if they do, damned if they don't. And when did anyone anywhere say anything about armed conservative groups in relation to the thread topic? Or are you speaking of yourself and your friends?

[twins4lynn]

So, Ann Coulter ended up giving a speech in Modesto without any major incidents. Conservative commentator Ann Coulter wows GOP crowd in Modesto | The Modesto Bee

[alliance]

Lawsuit press conference. Enjoy.

https://youtu.be/xJJZrx1OmyU

I strongly recommend this be viewed before continuing this "discussion."

[Independentthinking]

Originally Posted by alliance

Lawsuit press conference. Enjoy.

https://youtu.be/xJJZrx1OmyU

I strongly recommend this be viewed before continuing this "discussion."

You have the patience of a Saint. Unfortunately, no matter how logical your comment, the group you're dealing with will find a way to spin this with their double standards and hypocrisy. The only viewpoint Liberals want to hear are their own. Everyone else can go to hell. It's been that way here for as long as I can remember.

[StanleysOwl]

Originally Posted by Independentthinking

You have the patience of a Saint. Unfortunately, no matter how logical your comment, the group you're dealing with will find a way to spin this with their double standards and hypocrisy. The only viewpoint Liberals want to hear are their own. Everyone else can go to hell. It's been that way here for as long as I can remember.

Please specifywhat "logical comment" you refer to. So far you have been entirely unable to support your positions. Either you can - or they arent "logical." There is no argument with logic.

[StanleysOwl]

Originally Posted by alliance

Lawsuit press conference. Enjoy.

https://youtu.be/xJJZrx1OmyU

I strongly recommend this be viewed before continuing this "discussion."

42 minutes of listening to Ann Coulter spin with FOX? How a out you summarize the points you think are relevant to this "discussion."

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by StanleysOwl

Didnt say students didnt protest. Pointed out that it wasnt the "University" that "attacked" the speakers.

Also, note: "Protesting IS Free Speech" as protected by the First Amendment. "Free speech" is a constitutional right to speak and express oneself without government interference." there is no protection or right to be free from public protest.

As to students participating - of course they would, to some extent. However it is worth noting that while the number of college students interested in activism is at an all time high (even higher than the 60's), that turns out to be only less than 10% of freshmen, with even lower percentages for higher levels.

Student protesters aren't much if any of the problem. And "Universities" arent attacking anyone.

The problems stem from outside agitators.

You clearly don't understand time place and manner restrictions Mutt.

[StanleysOwl]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

You clearly don't understand time place and manner restrictions Mutt.

Explain them ...

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by StanleysOwl

Seems a good thing to do here would be to dissect our exchange for clarity. Heres what you wrote

In your statement you address two things:

1. "they only protest rightwing speakers". You say here "they" "protest" ...

2. (they) "beat down conservatives" ... you suggest here that "conservatives" are being "beaten."

Now you say: "they are not "protesting", they are rioting.". First you say they are protesting ... now you say they are rioting. YOU said "they are protesting." Your words. YOU said "they" are beating conservatives.

Here's the response to YOUR words and phrasing:


The fact is the response follows exactly your accusation of "protesting." And they do protest.

As for any beating, "conservatives," in general arent being beaten. Right wing extremists advocating fascism are being attacked. And they are being attacked by ANTIFA - which stands for: Anti-Fascism. It doesnt stand for Anti-conservativism.

The meaning of fascism? Quite clear.

The tactics of these students who have no understanding of civics let alone civility, coupled with this notion that labeling you opponents as "fascists" who must be forcefully prevented from speaking, can lead to dangerous results. Be warned that others can be labeled as so-called fascists and they too could be prevented from speaking by invoking the same by-any-means-necessary doctrine these sophomoric students use. You are playing with fire fools.

[StanleysOwl]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

The tactics of these students who have no understanding of civics let alone civility, coupled with this notion that labeling you opponents as "fascists" who must be forcefully prevented from speaking, can lead to dangerous results. Be warned that others can be labeled as so-called fascists and they too could be prevented from speaking by invoking the same by-any-means-necessary doctrine these sophomoric students use. You are playing with fire fools.

You'll have to identify the violent protestors as "students" first. That hasnt been done. Lots of accusations. Need arrests and verification of status.

Speakers wrongfully labeled (as fascists or anything else) will be correctly publicly identified by a variey of sources. This would remove any illusion of ideological moral standing any protestors might try to operate under. A fascist is quite easily identified as such. Calling a liberal or mainstream conservative fascist won't pass muster.

Nope. So far the protests have correctly identified extreme right provocateurs. This is not to suggest ANTIFA violence is acceptable even against fascist sympathizing provocateurs. Simply to point out thats what its been limited to. As such, whether left or right extreme, provocateurism is playing with the same fire.