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Old 04-26-2017, 12:29 PM
 
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The first statue that was removed was not a civil war monument. It celebrated an uprising by former confederate soldiers against black federal troops and city police officers during reconstruction.

Some of our history should be forgotten. This is one example.

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Workers dismantled an obelisk, which was erected in 1891 to honor members of the Crescent City White League who in 1874 fought in the Reconstruction-era Battle of Liberty Place against the racially integrated New Orleans police and state militia, Mayor Mitch Landrieu said in a statement.

The monument, which was sometimes used as a rallying point by David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan, has stirred debate for decades. Local leaders unsuccessfully tried to remove it in 1981 and 1993.
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]The statue was put up "to honor the killing of police officers by white supremacists," Landrieu said in a news conference Monday, according to CNN affiliate WDSU.
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Of the four that we will move, this statue is perhaps the most blatant affront to the values that make America and New Orleans strong today. I believe more strongly today than ever that in New Orleans, we should truly remember all of our history, not some of it. And that means we will no longer allow the Confederacy to literally be put on a pedestal in the heart of our city."
New Orleans Confederate monuments: Memorials being removed - CNN.com

 
Old 04-26-2017, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Removing history is a bad idea. This is something that Hitler and the Nazis and Soviets will approve of.
Jawohl, they would.
 
Old 04-26-2017, 12:38 PM
 
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The first statue that was removed was not a civil war monument. It celebrated an uprising by former confederate soldiers against black federal troops and city police officers during reconstruction.
Was that the fight where General Longstreet led the Federal troops?
 
Old 04-26-2017, 12:44 PM
 
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Removing history is a bad idea. This is something that Hitler and the Nazis and Soviets will approve of.
And after Hitler and the Nazis went the way of the dodo bird, there was a De-Nazification campaign. Anything honoring the Nazis was taken down. It was understood that paying homage to Hitler/Nazis was basically paying tribute to a bigoted murderer. Removing that obelisk in New Orleans is in that same category. Some things do not deserve tribute.
 
Old 04-26-2017, 12:50 PM
 
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Was that the fight where General Longstreet led the Federal troops?
I'm not sur he led the federal troops, but he tried to stop the bloodshed.. Here's part of the Wiki article on "The Battle of Liberty Place."

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When former Confederate general James Longstreet tried to stop the fighting, he was pulled from his horse, shot by a spent bullet, and taken prisoner by the White League. Kellogg wired for federal troops and, within three days, President Ulysses S. Grant sent Federal troops there. The White League insurgents retreated from New Orleans before the federal troops arrived, and no one was prosecuted.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Liberty_Place
 
Old 04-26-2017, 12:53 PM
 
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Great this stuff belongs in the dust bin of history and this is long overdue.
 
Old 04-26-2017, 01:24 PM
 
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I'm not sur he led the federal troops, but he tried to stop the bloodshed.. Here's part of the Wiki article on "The Battle of Liberty Place."



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Liberty_Place
That is probably it.

I had read he was involved in something like that. I just looked this up about him ...

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Many of Longstreet’s actions after the war were controversial: his letters to the New Orleans Times, his support of the Republican Party, his acceptance of political appointments, and the fact that he commanded African-Americans (part of the New Orleans Metropolitan Police Force). Worst of all, he had dared to criticize Robert E. Lee’s leadership. Very quickly he became the target of “Lost Cause” attacks ...
James Longstreet

He also served as U.S. federal Railroad Commissioner in his later years.

An interesting personality of solid character. The city deserves a statue to him.
 
Old 04-26-2017, 01:26 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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The relics of the Civil War belong in museums for those with a sense of historical curiosity. It's always been amazing to me that a small elite group of wealthy plantation owners could convince hundreds of thousands of dirt poor whites who never owned slaves to fight and die in a war that was never in their own self interest.
 
Old 04-26-2017, 01:26 PM
 
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Was that the fight where General Longstreet led the Federal troops?
Longstreet led the police and African-American militia troops.
 
Old 04-26-2017, 01:48 PM
 
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The relics of the Civil War belong in museums for those with a sense of historical curiosity. It's always been amazing to me that a small elite group of wealthy plantation owners could convince hundreds of thousands of dirt poor whites who never owned slaves to fight and die in a war that was never in their own self interest.
I agree with that. They belong in museums, not in prominent places of honor. We can use those relics in museums as a learning exhibit. However, we should not honor Confederates because of the cause it honors.

I am not surprised that a few elites could convince poor Whites to fight in a war that was never really their own interest. Many of the poor sought to become those elites.
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