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Old 04-30-2017, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I would like to see which degrees those are. I know plenty of lib arts grads who aren't earning squat. Many working min wage with tens of thousands of dollars worth of debt.
Where do you live? Geography can be an issue. Maybe it is something your acquaintances have in common. Maybe their expectations are too high or do not jive with what is available?

"...Employers increasingly want workers with at least some college education, be it a degree or even a certificate in a trade, such as nursing assistant or welding, from a technical or community college..."

"...It's the hottest job market in years for the expected 1.9 million students who will graduate. Employers are estimated to hire about 5 percent more graduates from the class of 2016 than last year, according to a recent report by the National Association of Colleges and Employers..."

"...Experts from Google, EY and other organizations explore the disconnect between academia and employers..."

https://www.fairobserver.com/region/...nd-jobs-43495/

College grads are getting nearly all the jobs - Jun. 30, 2016

College grads enjoy the best job market in years
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Old 04-30-2017, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Requiring E-Verify would cause a townturn in companies hiring illegals. If Trump was serious about solving the problem with illegals working in the USA, he would immediately push to require E-Verify everywhere. And enact a larger fine for employers that hire illegals under-the-table and enact strict enforcement of employers. But he's on the side of businesses and won't do this. Neither will any of the GOP members of congress.

Rick Scott(R), governor of Florida, campaigned saying he would require E-Verify. Once elected, he stopped talking about it. 6.5years later and he hasn't enacted E-Verify and says it's too much of a burden on businesses. He used it to win the votes of the people but chose to take sides with businesses once elected.

Trump will never enact E-Verify either because companies make a lot of money by hiring cheap illegals. Also, illegals work overtime without complaining and without time-and-a-half, and they work in unsafe conditions without complaint because they worry about being deported. Companies can exploit these workers because they know the employees won't complain. Republican leaders like this status quo and will continue to allow employers to hire illegals. If they cared about illegals taking jobs from Americans, they would require E-Verify.
Trump needs Congress to enact e- Verify. That's unlikely going to happen no matter which party holds a majority.


There's reasons why Florida and Texas have not made e- Verify a state law for all employers/ employees. Too many are making too much $ off the backs of cheap labor. So long as US employers continue to hire undocumented workers, they will come. No fence is high enough nore troops deep enough.
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Old 04-30-2017, 05:54 PM
 
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Wishing America could go backwards in time is the wrong message. 1. because it's impossible and 2. that's not the American way. The way is forward, progress, innovation. It's Darwinian, survival of the fittest, survival of the brightest.

The conservative/repub platform is simple: no one is owed anything. You make your own luck and your own future. Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps and innovate. No whining. The government is not your wet nurse, so suck it up, Buttercup.
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Old 04-30-2017, 06:01 PM
 
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Et-hem.... Are you saying that all 13 million undocumented's in the US all work on farms? Or are you only talking about corporate employers, and not any other sole-proprietor company employer in the US?
Go back and read exactly what I wrote, which very clearly said "American Corporations." Obviously I wasn't talking about other types of businesses.

But still...

Who do you know has complained they couldn't get a job in the fields helping to harvest? Who do you know has complained they couldn't get a job cleaning houses? Or working in a gas station? Or working the midnight shift at a 7/11? Or washing dishes in a small restaurant? These are not high paying jobs and they aren't going to be. Factory workers don't want these jobs.
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Old 04-30-2017, 06:30 PM
 
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Trump needs Congress to enact e- Verify. That's unlikely going to happen no matter which party holds a majority.


There's reasons why Florida and Texas have not made e- Verify a state law for all employers/ employees. Too many are making too much $ off the backs of cheap labor. So long as US employers continue to hire undocumented workers, they will come. No fence is high enough nore troops deep enough.
Yep.

Instead of bitching about anchor babies, pass legislation that eliminates this possibility.

Got to wonder why Republicans are not working on these common sense solutions.
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Old 04-30-2017, 06:45 PM
 
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Huh? You don't know of what you speak.

Illegal aliens are not employed by American corporations anytime recently. There are those here on H1B visas, which is not illegal. All employees of corporations, even contractors of corporations have to prove they're in the U.S. either as a citizen or otherwise legally. Check out the I9 process sometime.

You know where illegal aliens are working, by and large? In the farms, especially during the harvest. Americans don't want those jobs, they think that's beneath them. But harvesting has to be done and these are workers who are willing to do those jobs.

And "chasing off" people will not do a darn thing to raise wages. Why? Because the people who are citizens don't want the jobs. Are you willing to pick crops? Clean houses?
About 3 percent of illegal immigrants were working in farming and related sectors, according to Pew, which was well below the percentage working in service occupations (33 percent), construction and extractive jobs (17 percent), production, installation and repair (16 percent) and transportation and moving (8 percent). A subsequent Pew study pegged the number working in farming and related sectors slightly higher, at 4 percent.

Facebook post says "less than 2 percent of illegals are picking crops, but 41 percent are on welfare" | PolitiFact

NOT true. MOST illegal aliens work in cities; less than 5 percent of their despicable kind work on farms.

Pay real wages and Americans WILL do that kind of work. Period.
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Old 04-30-2017, 06:50 PM
 
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Wishing America could go backwards in time is the wrong message. 1. because it's impossible and 2. that's not the American way. The way is forward, progress, innovation. It's Darwinian, survival of the fittest, survival of the brightest.

The conservative/repub platform is simple: no one is owed anything. You make your own luck and your own future. Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps and innovate. No whining. The government is not your wet nurse, so suck it up, Buttercup.
Then you should be 100 percent Ok with deporting ANY known illegal alien. Competing with other Americans or even legal aliens is 1 thing, competing with illegals is like competing with slaves. I don't believe in slavery. Period.
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Old 04-30-2017, 06:54 PM
 
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Pay real wages and Americans WILL do that kind of work. Period.
Minimum wage is a "real wage." Not a good real wage, not a real wage that will support a family, but an employer can't be forced into paying more if they don't want to and if there are people who will do that job for the minimum. And that's the reality.

This thread was intended to talk about factory jobs, and ex factory workers are not going to be able to compete in the marketplace without training and job skills. The old factories are not coming back. That's reality.
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Old 04-30-2017, 06:56 PM
 
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Then you should be 100 percent Ok with deporting ANY known illegal alien. Competing with other Americans or even legal aliens is 1 thing, competing with illegals is like competing with slaves. I don't believe in slavery. Period.
I don't have a problem with deportation for those breaking the law. I do have a problem with singling out anyone of a specific heritage or religious belief.
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Old 04-30-2017, 07:11 PM
 
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I don't have a problem with deportation for those breaking the law. I do have a problem with singling out anyone of a specific heritage or religious belief.
"Illegal alien" ain't a race. ALL of their kind need to go, even white Irish Christian people here illegally.
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