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The closest thing I know of to a solution is the above German organization. It's an organization pedophiles can go to for therapy. It's controversial because it working probably depends on Germany's lack of laws mandating that psychologists report pedophiles they believe to be dangerous. In the United States, psychologists do not have to report people just because they're pedophiles, but there seems to be kind of a hazy law that requires them to report people who seem to be a danger to children to the psychologists here.
I think it would be good to note that if our government eventually does remove the law that mandates psychologists to report dangerous people...I'm not saying that'll necessarily be a good idea, but it's also not necessarily going to be because the pedos are taking over the government, and I can already hear the shouts about that.
Right now, pretty much the only people pedophile can go to for help in the United States are psychologists, and one website called Virped.org That website was founded in part by a guy named Todd Nickerson...who I believe is a decent human being, but he has a pretty nasty past and I could understand people being deeply disturbed by that and mistrusting of him. He's not someone you want to put your faith behind until you've looked into his history.
We had either a founding member or an ordinary member (I forget which) of that website mention it here in the politics thread awhile ago. We carpet bombed him with insults, which I now view as a mistake.
I've heard from some members that the website needs better moderation though, and it apparently has a few pretty disturbing members. Other members described them as high risk people they didn't want to scare off.
So, that website doesn't sound very impressive to me. It has a discussion forum that supposedly anyone can go to if they mention their desire to access it. I never entered it because I didn't want to deal with, and I'd be concerned about pushing some narcissist over the edge or something. It's a discussion forum for pedophiles though.
So, pretty much all pedophiles have are psychologists. If we think about the type of person most likely to abuse a child, I'm thinking of someone fairly narcissistic and impulse-driven and self-preservation and shame (unless they're a complete sociopath) would certainly be strong impulses, so I'd suspect those dangerous people would be a lot more likely to go to some professional organization dedicated to dealing exclusively with pedophelia than admitting their urges to a psychologist to that psychologist's face. That seeming greater likelihood of dangerous people talking to the dedicated organization than a psychologist may end up keeping children safer.
Now, not everyone who molests children are pedophiles. Many child molesters are married. Some aren't pedophiles at all. They're just opportunists. I don't know what to do about the opportunists. If they compose the majority of child abusers...that above organization may not do much, but many psychologists believe strongly that some pedophiles genuinely have their impulses just because they can't do anything to change them, and those may be the ones who can be helped. Pedophelia is often thought to be incurable, but there is therapy, counseling, and if necessary libido-reducing drugs. Some pedophiles have attractions to both adults and youth, and I've heard that they can sometimes transfer their attraction onto adults for the most part.
One problem is that most pedophiles that have been studied have been criminals, so that's a pretty biased sample. They may learn more about pedophelia in the future once psychologists gain more access to non-offending pedophiles to study too. The only difference I've heard that they've learned exists between offending and non-offending pedophiles is that offending pedophiles have worse impulse control...which seems pretty obvious.
Other religions as well. Don't single out catholics.
Catholics are just a sect of Christianity, often the one with the loudest voice, but often proven to be the most hypocritical. The thing is, Christianity as a whole hasn't done anything to stop child molestation, and actively tried to hide the offenders. It seems like Catholics are often the most outspoken against these actions, and while I find that funny, it is not, because people are affected by molestation.
Do unto others, yeah right.
As for other religions, sure, it's not just Christians to blame/point a finger at, and I find it all equally despicable. Just that here, in the U.S.A. while there is supposed to be a separation of church and state, so many decisions involve "what would Jesus do", well I'm pretty sure he would be about sexually assaulting kids. I'm also pretty sure he wouldn't cover up for those that do.
The most recent studies point to 'no cure' for pedophilia. There are different forms of this particular proclivity, older and younger children and those who act on the desire and those who do not.
In my judgement, anyone who places their sexual satisfaction before another's mental and physical health should be put to death.
This provides us with both an answer to the question 'what to do with these people' and nicely diminishes the burgeoning world population.
I completely agree with you. I have always thought that pedophiles deserved the death penalty. It is such a heinous crime and it destroys the child for life. What I have never understood is people turning a blind eye to it. For example, why was Jerry Sandusky protected when people knew what was going on? How can anyone know that a child was being abused and not do anything?
I completely agree with you. I have always thought that pedophiles deserved the death penalty.
And what if those accusations, made considerably easier with mass communications and the anonymity offered by the Internet, turn out to be unfounded? False accusations of child abuse (Anybody else remember L. A.'s notorious McMartin preschool cases of thirty years ago??) are nothing new.
The Sandusky charges turned out to be completely valid, and that in turn led to an overhaul and liberalization of sexual abuse laws here in Pennsylvania and many other states, and a substantial rise in the number of cases, but if anyone out there doesn't believe that there are people and marriages bitter enough to cause some among us to sink to some very vicious and nasty tactics, I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn that might interest you.
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This is both extremely political and controversial, but no-one seems to want to discuss it. It affects us all and should surely be out in the open. Everyone has kids somewhere in the family, even if not immediate family. They need to be protected and kept away from harm.
Nothing could be more damaging to political, celebrity and religious figures than sexual abuse of children, yet we do not appear to have seen much progress on this matter raised since the leaked emails and confirmed by various victims who have come forward to the authorities. In the UK for example, the police have come out and said there are too many pedophile celebrities and other people in the public eye for them all to be arrested and for the prisons to potentially contain them.
Once you investigate one person, that leads to others until you have a mountainous stream of offenders who need to be brought to justice. These people are abusing kids and could easily be living next door to any of us. Yet the authorities are overwhelmed or just looking the other way. Maybe it is because the strength of feeling is just too great and we might see some serious mob-rule killings?
I see a couple possible routes, and I'd be open to either. I have no evidence whatsoever for either...but they're ideas. That German organization I mentioned, by the way, has had about 4,000 contact it, and about 400 or so people who obtained treatment, but it's hardly saving society.
Maybe one route that might lead to better success would be to toss the constitution aside and just cut people's thumbs off to the amusement of a crowd on national television. The problem with that route, is there's no possible way that'll be passed. The closest we'll be able to get to that would be longer jail sentences.
Also, I'd question the success of that route, because just about every single person in the United States responds with "shoot the slime" or "torture the slime" whenever anyone mentions the word pedophile...unless they specifically state they're talking about people with the impulse who haven't acted on it yet, and then only about half the people want to shoot them...so I'd wonder if they're already being instilled with as much terror as possible, but maybe that's just the optimal route and this is just as good as things are going to get.
That leaves either keep doing what we've been doing, or waiting for psychologists to discover more about pedophiles (which is my preference, because they could be about to get a lot more knowledge now that some non-offenders are actually admitting it so that they have someone to study besides criminals), or we use the carrot more than the stick.
I genuinely do wonder about the possibility of teaching society that, it doesn't matter what your thoughts are...just so long as you don't act on them. That would be my view of the carrot route. There are other even nicer carrot routes. I wonder about all that stuff and intend to keep it in mind, but for now I intend to just wait and learn and see what the psychologists, who are the closest thing we have to eyes and ears, have to say.
For anyone who is wondering about Todd Nickerson's nasty past, by the way, I know he used to be a member, and probably a moderator, of a pro-sex-with kids website. I heard a rumor that he made a comment on that website about a 5 year old girl wanting to have sex with him.
I still see him as probably a decent human being now, although someone I would have despised in the past, because of his modern views.
This is both extremely political and controversial, but no-one seems to want to discuss it. It affects us all and should surely be out in the open. Everyone has kids somewhere in the family, even if not immediate family. They need to be protected and kept away from harm.
Nothing could be more damaging to political, celebrity and religious figures than sexual abuse of children, yet we do not appear to have seen much progress on this matter raised since the leaked emails and confirmed by various victims who have come forward to the authorities. In the UK for example, the police have come out and said there are too many pedophile celebrities and other people in the public eye for them all to be arrested and for the prisons to potentially contain them.
Once you investigate one person, that leads to others until you have a mountainous stream of offenders who need to be brought to justice. These people are abusing kids and could easily be living next door to any of us. Yet the authorities are overwhelmed or just looking the other way. Maybe it is because the strength of feeling is just too great and we might see some serious mob-rule killings?
Your sources are dubious, RT Russia, and some nondescript website, as well as the Daily Mail which is known for sensationalising stories.
First of all there has to be a distinction made between those who actually have carried out a sex act and those who have merely been found guilty of logging on to certain websites.
The Police are obviously more concerned with the former than the latter, but will take action if such pornography is found or a credit card has been used to download such items. The UK Police and National Crime Agency have a host of very capable and dedicated units and have prosecuted more cases than many other nations. They also go after those who created the pornography in the first place, and try and identify possible victims.
As for Celebrities, the UK police have prosecuted numerous cases, although some cases involving political figures were closed as the person had died and resources were better used elsewhere. There's no point in charging a corpse with a crime. As for Royalty there is no evidence that any member of the Royal Family is a paedophile.
It also should be noted that the Polices duty is to investigate and arrest, any charges or prosecution are decided by the Crown Prosecution Service (or equivalent body) which includes lawyers and legal reams who access evidence and the likelihood os succesful prosecution. The Police and other Law Enforcement Organisations merely enforce the law and investigate and gather evidence, it is not up to them as to what should or should not be illegal or whether something should be prosecuted or not.
I completely agree with you. I have always thought that pedophiles deserved the death penalty. It is such a heinous crime and it destroys the child for life. What I have never understood is people turning a blind eye to it. For example, why was Jerry Sandusky protected when people knew what was going on? How can anyone know that a child was being abused and not do anything?
Because people are useless asses. Just look at the justice system. Take a look at what time is spent in prison for stealing millions of dollars from some rich prick and how much time is done for ****ing up a little, helpless child.
Don't get me going.
Oh AND better to kill off a few innocent men than allow the rampant sexual abuse of so many children.
Because people are useless asses. Just look at the justice system. Take a look at what time is spent in prison for stealing millions of dollars from some rich prick and how much time is done for ****ing up a little, helpless child.
Don't get me going.
Oh AND better to kill off a few innocent men than allow the rampant sexual abuse of so many children.
You are going to throw innocent women into that mix as well, right? And would you be fine if one of those innocent men or women was a member of your family or a close friend?
You are going to throw innocent women into that mix as well, right? And would you be fine if one of those innocent men or women was a member of your family or a close friend?
Yes. I would be fine if one of them were me. Well .... not fine, I would hope that I would be found innocent if I was innocent.
The deal is that lots of people get put to death for lots of different reasons..... "treason, terrorism, espionage, federal murder, large-scale drug trafficking, or attempting to kill a witness, juror, or court officer in certain cases." Some of these people must be innocent, yet the death penalty is still applied. Why are these crimes worse than that of forcing a child to engage in sex for an adults pleasure?
Yes. I would be fine if one of them were me. Well .... not fine, I would hope that I would be found innocent if I was innocent.
The deal is that lots of people get put to death for lots of different reasons..... "treason, terrorism, espionage, federal murder, large-scale drug trafficking, or attempting to kill a witness, juror, or court officer in certain cases." Some of these people must be innocent, yet the death penalty is still applied. Why are these crimes worse than that of forcing a child to engage in sex for an adults pleasure?
Im not saying that they shouldn't be put to death. However, you seem to think that it is ok for innocents to be put to death for a crime they didn't commit, just so those who are guilty get put to death.
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