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Your examples are ridiculous. There is nothing stopping you from getting another job - just find another that has insurance or buy your own. Nothing to stop you from staying home, having fewer kids or finding another daycare for YOUR kids. Nothing stopping you from pursuing further education by taking out loans, working two jobs or going to night school. You are free to do any of these things.
What you shouldn't be "free" to do is to take MY tax dollars to fund those endeavors. You job, your daycare, your kids, your education is not my concern. And it's certainly not my obligation to fund.
You're forgetting that I should be free to keep my property.
They are real world examples. You can find them as ridiculous as you'd like. No skin off my nose.
Your reply shows your remove from these types of situations and your privilege.
This is what they don't understand. Like I said before, no matter which way we slice the healthcare pie -- UHC or private insurance -- we are ALWAYS paying for others. There's no getting away from it. Health insurance companies, just like auto insurance companies, will raise everyone's rates if costs become "too high" (i.e. they eat into their profits).
Why is this difficult to understand?
Right. And I showed, with real world numbers, how we are paying approximately the same percentage towards healthcare costs NOW just not all in taxes. Roundly ignored. Because freedom. LOLOL
As opposed to the same o lame o implausible faith-based ideology which has no practical purpose except to promote the economic interests of the people bankrolling.
Like I said pages ago, libertarians can not find one example of a truly libertarian country that flourished. Why? Because ideology only gets you so far. What has been most successful, particularly over the past century or so are those countries that combine socialist democratic policies with free market capitalism. Yet some American buck and whine and absolutely refuse to entertain this idea. Why?
This healthcare issue, along with other social welfare issues, is going to continue to be a problem as automation continues to take more jobs away from human beings.
For example, just ten years ago, receivers were people who literally received deliveries at stores and warehouses. Nowadays, many receiving doors are equipped with a mechanical tool that offloads the items from the trailer. And that's just one tiny little example of a machine doing what used to be a human's job.
This is what happens in a free market economy - companies look for ways to cut costs, become more efficient and have a greater profit. How are many doing it today? By looking towards automation.
Only speaking for myself and a couple other posters here (No_Recess and Frank DeForrest), but yep. We're against all taxes because the government has no more right to take people's money by force than any of us do individually. The only valid way to argue against that is to explain logically how the government can possibly have rights that none of the citizens have individually.
(The thing is...it's a logical impossibility, so good luck)
Are you against imprisonment?
Are you against murder?
Those are two other things our government engages in that citizens don't have the right to individually either.
Like I said pages ago, libertarians can not find one example of a truly libertarian country that flourished. Why? Because ideology only gets you so far. What has been most successful, particularly over the past century or so are those countries that combine socialist democratic policies with free market capitalism. Yet some American buck and whine and absolutely refuse to entertain this idea. Why?
This healthcare issue, along with other social welfare issues, is going to continue to be a problem as automation continues to take more jobs away from human beings.
For example, just ten years ago, receivers were people who literally received deliveries at stores and warehouses. Nowadays, many receiving doors are equipped with a mechanical tool that offloads the items from the trailer. And that's just one tiny little example of a machine doing what used to be a human's job.
This is what happens in a free market economy - companies look for ways to cut costs, become more efficient and have a greater profit. How are many doing it today? By looking towards automation.
Agree, thanks & respect for the realness, much appreciated. It'd be helpful if problem solving in the present day real time was reality-based & not based on failed ideological premises. Long story short, more reality-based problem solving, much much less of the circle-jerking impotence.
Only speaking for myself and a couple other posters here (No_Recess and Frank DeForrest), but yep. We're against all taxes because the government has no more right to take people's money by force than any of us do individually. The only valid way to argue against that is to explain logically how the government can possibly have rights that none of the citizens have individually.
(The thing is...it's a logical impossibility, so good luck)
The 'corporations are people' folks have addressed that particular issue (one) handily
Agree, thanks & respect for the realness, much appreciated. It'd be helpful if problem solving in the present day real time was reality-based & not based on failed ideological premises. Long story short, more reality-based problem solving, much much less of the circle-jerking impotence.
But, where's the fun or self satisfaction without stroking yourself to a climax with faux outrage over "thieves" and "parasites" while claiming in the same post people would be shot for arriving on their porch with their hands out?
When dealing with these kinds of issues it always gets down to dueling with the lowest common denominators. People using those descriptors and uttering childish crappola the rest of the world scorned the use of by grade three becomes their only rebuttal. No one will be holding their hand out to them on their front porch and we all know they'll be shooting no one. They expect you to take them seriously.
Wasted time, as they'll be the first in line to get their offending hemorrhoids fixed without question or denial of coverage.
But, where's the fun or self satisfaction without stroking yourself to a climax with faux outrage over "thieves" and "parasites" while claiming in the same post people would be shot for arriving on their porch with their hands out?
When dealing with these kinds of issues it always gets down to dueling with the lowest common denominators. People using those descriptors and uttering childish crappola the rest of the world scorned the use of by grade three becomes their only rebuttal. No one will be holding their hand out to them on their front porch and we all know they'll be shooting no one. They expect you to take them seriously.
Wasted time, as they'll be the first in line to get their offending hemorrhoids fixed without question or denial of coverage.
Lost my opportunity to rep, apparently I gotta spread the love.
LMAO No, they absolutely do not. Are you for real?
What tax rate would be high enough to suit you for income (amount referenced in a previous post of yours) above $250,000 ?
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It'd be helpful if problem solving in the present day real time was reality-based & not based on failed ideological premises. Long story short, more reality-based problem solving, much much less of the circle-jerking impotence.
