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But it's just...we should be provided with free healthcare. I won't say specifically that anyone needs to be FORCED to provide it...it should just BE provided. If you use the passive voice and abstractly say it that way, you don't have to think about the force involved!
YES for working adults and their families, and for retirees under 85, who are willing to pay what they can for it, and YES for allchildren.
NO to everyone else, unless being unemployed is not by their choice but due to extenuating circumstances beyond their control.
However, that being said, I don't think that anyone should actually suffer. What I am referring to is the right of adults to be able to go to the doctor for a basic sore throat and fever, and have someone else pay for it.
The tricky and unstated part of your question is "What constitutes BASIC healthcare?" I think that has a very broad interpretation.
I wouldn't be opposed to ending foreign aid and help our veterans out first. They sacrificed. You don't have to agree with what they did. Or who sent them there. Or why they were sent there.
Once every veteran has a roof over their head, the treatments the are owed, and they are fed and have clothes on their backs, then worry about everyone else.
"Veteran Worship" was the topic of conversation over breakfast, this morning.
Most Veterans do not see combat nor are stationed in war zones.
At the peak of the Iraq War a majority of those in War Zones were contractors, not enlisted.
For some , enlistment was their only option given they were unskilled and unemployed before enlisting and their parents gave them the option of enlisting or homelessness. For some others they enlist for training and educational benefits.
There are cush jobs and locations and dangerous jobs and locations.
Yes provided you don't make other people pay for your stuff.
In short, take care of your own and not depend on society to take care of you.
Your neighbors pay for the fire truck that would come to your burning house. They pay for the air traffic control that guides the plane you took for your vacation. They pay for the testing that ensures the quality of the water coming out of your kitchen tap. (I can give you 1000 more examples). Are you complaining about that ? Why aren't you taking care of your own in those situations ?
If you're accepting any societal benefit that comes from paying taxes, don't use that shallow argument ("take care of your own") to shoot down health care for your fellow citizens.
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No. Living a healthy life; diet, exercise, not taking the various drugs, (liquid, botanical, pharmaceuticals), in excess. Is everyone's responsibility and civic duty, so as not to impose themselves on their fellow citizens.
Perhaps next you'll tell us how we get things like cancer, ALS, Alzheimer's, heart disease, MS, CF, CP, et al to only afflict those who shirk that responsibility?
Your neighbors pay for the fire truck that would come to your burning house. They pay for the air traffic control that guides the plane you took for your vacation. They pay for the testing that ensures the quality of the water coming out of your kitchen tap. (I can give you 1000 more examples). Are you complaining about that ? Why aren't you taking care of your own in those situations ?
If you're accepting any societal benefit that comes from paying taxes, don't use that shallow argument ("take care of your own") to shoot down health care for your fellow citizens.
Wrong. My property taxes pay for the trucks that I as a volunteer use to fight fires.
Fuel excise taxes when I fuel my plane pay for my use of air traffic control when I fly my plane as do you when you buy a ticket. I have a well, I pay for my testing, not you.
Correct. During WWII, companies started offering as a way to get around wade and price controls. It just 'stuck', just like the idea of the ACA. Just because something 'is' does not mean it is best, for the good, or even bad.
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Democratic administration backed corps into it with a mandated wage freeze.
Never said that. Many cancers and heart disease are directly tied to poor diet and sedentary lifestyle. You just wanted to demagogue a bit though, didn't you?
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Perhaps next you'll tell us how we get things like cancer, ALS, Alzheimer's, heart disease, MS, CF, CP, et al to only afflict those who shirk that responsibility?
Uh ... NO. I see no reason why veterans should be entitled to a human right in preference to others. In my opinion, veterans already receive too many preferences and favors.
We should have universal health coverage in the United States. Our current system relegates our most vulnerable residents (the poor, the unemployed, the elderly, minorities, immigrants) to the back of the bus, and sometimes forces them off the bus. I'm part of that system, and I'm sick of it. Don't talk to me about "repealing Obamacare" until you see a patient who is in septic shock and on life support because they couldn't afford to see a doctor for an abscess or an abdominal pain.
When will repugnicans realize that universal health coverage will be cheaper in the long run than our current system(s), if only because of the cost savings realized from eliminating the middle man (the insurance industry) from the equation ? If you are against universal health coverage, it's for one reason: you're selfish.
They did something you and I didn't. I was refused for USMC infantry with the goal of becoming a sniper at 17 for a torn rotator cuff. Payback for the twin towers. I was in those buildings when I was a kid they were beautiful.
I have friends who came back changed physically and mentally and have problems you couldn't relate to and have to write to congressmen to be seen at a VA and fight tooth and nail for services they are entitled to.
And I would repeal oblunder care entirely. In a heart beat.
Matter of fact, I did see just what you described. My father had the beetus something fierce. Old fat boy couldn't put the fork down and dialed up the insulin pump going through 300-500 unit's per day. He lost his vision and had neuropathy in his feet. He fell and went to a doctor. They did x rays and did an mri and didn't see anything. Send him to pain management where he was put on narcotics to make him comfortable, not functional.
He went out like elvis. Necrosis of the intestines and they exploded like a crappie filled grenade. He was treated for a heart attack brought on by sepsis, exploratory surgery showed there was no viable bowel to use.
I watched that man, my own father for 5 days die. HE was on life support, he was doped up too. He was on medicine keeping his heart going. We had them pull that and the antibiotic but kept him on morphine.
I never once shed a tear because he did it to himself. I was more upset at the doctors putting him on narcotics making him anot even more worthless lump of flesh because the narcotics not only made him combative and crazy, it caused him to be severely constipated.
Now that we have that a dressed. It was HIS FAULT FOR BEING A GLUTTON! NOT YOURS, NOT MINE, NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
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