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While I don't like UHC your post "proves too much." Any governmental service, such as roads or more prominently education forces one citizen to help another. My problem with health care is with degree. Health care is a large portion of people's budgets and a growing and too large portion of national expenditures. The current use of UHC is blatantly to force a redistribution of wealth, and has perverse effects compared, say, to schooling.
Schooling of children arguably benefits everyone. Government support of health care benefits those who chose to go uninsured. Too often that choice was driven be a desire to live a higher lifestyle. In the case of the poor, UHC encourages greater reproduction, something we don't need from people who otherwise have problems both supporting themselves and being present to provide a strong upbringing for their children.
Most people go uninsured because they legitimately cannot afford it. It has nothing to do with a higher lifestyle. Welfare encourages poor people to have kids more than UHC would.
If I do not pay my property taxes, most of which goes to local schools, I will lose my house. That money could be going toward health insurance but I am forced by government to pay the rapidly increasing school taxes. If I could not afford both I would have to choose the property taxes and thus be unable to access health insurance.
Magritte, you are so full of self-righteousness and self-congratulatory backpats that you don't even recognize intentional trolling when it's right in front of your face. Others do however, and decide to not play along. You sneer down your nose instead and make huge sweeping generalizations that we're demonstrating crappy Christian values. As if we're even all Christians.
Get. Over. Yourself.
I recognize the trolling and I recognize the fact that not only did you people fall for it initially but you showed your true colors.
I do sneer at people who proclaim to be pro-family values and Jeezus then turn around and mock the sick, poor and down trodden.
If you want to take that to mean I'm self righteous, go right ahead.
You tell me to get over myself, meanwhile you're throwing insults at other posters from your high horse. Please.
I recognize the trolling and I recognize the fact that not only did you people fall for it initially but you showed your true colors.
I do sneer at people who proclaim to be pro-family values and Jeezus then turn around and mock the sick, poor and down trodden.
If you want to take that to mean I'm self righteous, go right ahead.
You tell me to get over myself, meanwhile you're throwing insults at other posters from your high horse. Please.
I won't speak for other people here. I didn't fall for anything, and my posts that you quoted in your sweeping moral judgement are actually reflective of that. And if you yourself recognized the troll then why would you waste your time wagging your finger? I notice you didn't bother pulling the quotes in which I tried to provide a positive outlook for one of our fellow posters. That's because you aren't really interested in individualism. You just like to sweep people into piles then point down at them and call them names. You think of yourself as the better person for doing so, but I think differently. I think playing a morally smug person on the internet is probably covering up for some issues of inferiority in your own life.
I won't even charge you for that assessment. On the house.
Oh look, another who has no clue what the Bible says.
Hate to burst your little bubble, but communism/socialism is not an accepted principal in the Bible.
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For even when we were with you, this we commanded you: that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
You can find this among MANY teachings in the Bible about people being responsible for themselves.
Like most progressives, you use the Word of God as your own little political pushing point. You pick and choose and urinate on the Bible to promote your politics. Like satan tempted Jesus in the desert, you manipulate the word for your own purpose.
Maybe you should learn what the Bible actual says rather than being ignorant of it and parading around pointing fingers at people who don't support your ideology of theft.
Oh look, another who has no clue what the Bible says.
Hate to burst your little bubble, but communism/socialism is not an accepted principal in the Bible.
You can find this among MANY teachings in the Bible about people being responsible for themselves.
Like most progressives, you use the Word of God as your own little political pushing point. You pick and choose and urinate on the Bible to promote your politics. Like satan tempted Jesus in the desert, you manipulate the word for your own purpose.
Maybe you should learn what the Bible actual says rather than being ignorant of it and parading around pointing fingers at people who don't support your ideology of theft.
Magritte feels she is the moral monopoly of City Data. That is, her way of thinking is the *only* correct way to think. She is consistently shocked to discover that people have other opinions, and she refuses to acknowledge that just because those opinions don't mirror her own doesn't make them wrong. It's her way or the highway, and she will devote ridiculous amounts of time (and posts) to send her virtue signal loud and proud across the forums here.
Magritte, you are so full of self-righteousness and self-congratulatory backpats that you don't even recognize intentional trolling when it's right in front of your face. Others do however, and decide to not play along. You sneer down your nose instead and make huge sweeping generalizations that we're demonstrating crappy Christian values. As if we're even all Christians.
Get. Over. Yourself.
Oh, I don't know.
Magritte simply showed that you guys have done a good job yourselves of sneering down your noses and making huge sweeping statements and generalizations. And I'll say it again and again: LOTS of "conservatives"/"libertarians" are in NO position to judge anyone for their lifestyle choices, and certainly not in any position to preach "small government" and "self-reliance."
Like I said, EVERY DAY I meet people who have multiple kids with multiple baby daddies/mamas outside of wedlock, have perhaps been married and divorced multiple times, have addictions out the wazoo, eat steady diets of junk, drink excessively, smoke and engage in plenty of other addictions, they've been in and out rehab, in and out of jail, they're often very overweight and unhealthy but do NOTHING to get better. Often, this all-consuming affliction spreads throughout entire families, infecting multiple members, most tragically the kids. They depend on ALL KINDS of government assistance that run the gamut...
...yet they call themselves "conservatives." They proclaim to be "libertarians." They have the nerve, the gall, the audacity to rail against "big government," immigrants who "milk the system," and progressive liberal policies. They possess that baffling self-delusion, ignorance and indignance to vote for Donald Trump who they're relieved is going to "make America great again."
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Statistics show over and over and over again that it is the most conservative parts of the country that suffer most from this rapidly spreading disease.
Agreed. I loathe military spending. I hate that we have soldiers in foreign countries. I think we should have a military force comparable to Canada and nothing more. But that is important for some, and healthcare for all is important to me.
Some people believe the Constitution justifies America's defence spending.
Why is the Constitution always something that must be agreed with? What makes its guidance the most right or practical? I'm not rebutting its greatness, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be challenged or questioned.
I think America has a critical thinking problem. Having a certain opinion only "because the Constitution says" or "because the Bible says" is illogical.
Magritte simply showed that you guys have done a good job yourselves of sneering down your noses and making huge sweeping statements and generalizations. And I'll say it again and again: LOTS of "conservatives"/"libertarians" are in NO position to judge anyone for their lifestyle choices, and certainly not in any position to preach "small government" and "self-reliance."
Like I said, EVERY DAY I meet people who have multiple kids with multiple baby daddies/mamas outside of wedlock, have perhaps been married and divorced multiple times, have addictions out the wazoo, eat steady diets of junk, drink excessively, smoke and engage in plenty of other addictions, they've been in and out rehab, in and out of jail, they're often very overweight and unhealthy but do NOTHING to get better. Often, this all-consuming affliction spreads throughout entire families, infecting multiple members, most tragically the kids. They depend on ALL KINDS of government assistance that run the gamut...
...yet they call themselves "conservatives." They proclaim to be "libertarians." They have the nerve, the gall, the audacity to rail against "big government," immigrants who "milk the system," and progressive liberal policies. They possess that baffling self-deception, ignorance and indignance to vote for Donald Trump who they're relieved is going to "make America great again."
:mad :: shocked::mad :
Statistics show over and over and over again that it is the most conservative parts of the country that suffer most from this rapidly spreading disease.
Get. Over. Yourselves.
I'm not a Republican. Two-time Obama voter and lifelong Democrat who voted Libertarian in the past election. So while I totally get your assessment of poverty-stricken conservatives, I am not one of them.
Moral monopolists tend to believe that anyone not in complete lock-step with their own thinking can be nothing but the complete polar opposite of them in every way. That's a terribly naive and flawed way of assessing individuals.
Magritte simply showed that you guys have done a good job yourselves of sneering down your noses and making huge sweeping statements and generalizations. And I'll say it again and again: LOTS of "conservatives"/"libertarians" are in NO position to judge anyone for their lifestyle choices, and certainly not in any position to preach "small government" and "self-reliance."
Nobody is any position to judge anyone for the lifestyle UNLESS... That person is seeking help from them and then they must accept such evaluation in order to receive benefit. It is the same condition that exists when child returns home to live under their parents home. There are expectations, conditions, and your individual "right" comes with conditions to receive that help. You can accept those conditions, those evaluations, or you can go back to being responsible for yourself.
So, anyone demanding hand outs, help, etc... is in no position to complain about critical evaluations of their position.
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Like I said, EVERY DAY I meet people who have multiple kids with multiple baby daddies/mamas outside of wedlock, have perhaps been married and divorced multiple times, have addictions out the wazoo, eat steady diets of junk, drink excessively, smoke and engage in plenty of other addictions, they've been in and out rehab, in and out of jail, they're often very overweight and unhealthy but do NOTHING to get better. Often, this all-consuming affliction spreads throughout entire families, infecting multiple members, most tragically the kids. They depend on ALL KINDS of government assistance that run the gamut...
This is why Socialism/Communism never works. Unless you can control every aspect of peoples lives (and even then it doesn't work), their actions, behaviors and choices will have an effect on the rest of the commune. This is why individual liberty is the only real solution to any system as each individual is then tasked with their own responsibilities to see to themselves and the choice to help others is up to them, under the conditions they may decide. This way, you don't get honest people taken to the bank to cover the lazy and poor choice makers.
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Originally Posted by newdixiegirl
...yet they call themselves "conservatives." They proclaim to be "libertarians." They have the nerve, the gall, the audacity to rail against "big government," immigrants who "milk the system," and progressive liberal policies. They possess that baffling self-deception, ignorance and indignance to vote for Donald Trump who they're relieved is going to "make America great again."
People clam a lot of things. I know a lot of progressives that "claim" they believe in liberty, but everything they do and want is counter to it. So, because you see some people like this, it does not establish your position that this is what conservatives are. In fact, your argument is a bit of common of the "all conservatives are backward trailer park southerners from red states" which is just a made up stereotype used in politics to dismiss conflicting ideology.
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Originally Posted by newdixiegirl
Statistics show over and over and over again that it is the most conservative parts of the country that suffer most from this rapidly spreading disease.
Get. Over. Yourselves.
Go ahead, provide your statistics, but counter to your stereotype, many of us conservatives/libertarians know a lot about mathematics, science, and find these claims to be easily shown to be invalid.
So, provide your statistics showing the research paper, its data and methodology and we will show you how your "statistics" are misrepresentations, poor test pools, improper methods, or just out and out lies.
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