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Old 05-18-2017, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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All we have is hearsay. Hearsay of a memo that is suppose to exist, that would be considered hearsay in court. It is suppose to state, Trump did exactly what Comey said is very wrong and never happened on his watch. So, Comey lied to Congress? Or is the media lying about some note, kept by Comey, and were released to someone. That has yet to publish them.
Not so. A memorandum that was written immediately after a private meeting is often allowed as evidence, especially if it is the only recording that exists of a meeting.

It is a he-said-she-said situation, so any memo can be challenged, but a memo isn't tossed out as evidence out of hand. Comey kept extensive notes during all his meetings, and used them to write his memos afterward. He wrote memos on every important meeting, so there are lots and lots of them.

Since he has not appeared in front of any committee yet, no one knows just now what the truth is, but with his own memo as contradiction, whatever Comey says when he does testify will probably be very similar to what he wrote earlier. It would all have to be prove to be lies, which would be very hard if there are no other records.

Since those memos were written for the purpose of remembering important spoken details that may need to become policy later, or to follow the directives of the President, it's doubtful any contain lies. Unless Trump lied when he spoke to Comey.
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Old 05-18-2017, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Give the Trump supporters a break, they are having a tough couple of months. Let them enjoy these little crumbs of nonsense for just a little while longer. They are about to have the roughest time of their lives coming up very very soon.
Hey, I voted for the dope because I couldn't vote for Hillary, but I can't and won't defend him. I trust Comey a hell of a lot more than Trump.

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One of the "irredeemables?" 😉
I'll pull out my 'we'll see' card for this.
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Old 05-18-2017, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Pixley
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Speaking of Obstruction.
The fact Comey sat on it, and not informed the DOJ formally, hold 2 separate violations of federal code of obstructing justice. Not to mention the extortion element involved. It is a no win situation, that really backfired, forgetting Comey's testimony that exact thing never happened for political purposes.
The FBI can't determine if the President committed a crime, charge him or arrest him. Only Congress can do those things (the House specifically, by impeaching the President).

Comey can only report what happened and Congress will then determine if the President committed a crime. So Comey, since he can't charge the President with a crime, cannot be held to the a violation of 18 U.S. Code § 4 - Misprision of felony. It is not up to Comey to determine if the President obstructed justice. He can only tell Congress what happened.
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Old 05-18-2017, 04:42 PM
 
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That link is a COMPLETE MISREPRESENTATION ON JAMES COMEY.

This is the TRUTH:
again, people can form their own opinion.
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Old 05-18-2017, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Pixley
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I wrote a memo that obama promised me a million dollars. Hasn't paid off yet...
You're not the director of the FBI. His memos of events that he transcribe carry a bit more weight than yours.
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Old 05-18-2017, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Pixley
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All we have is hearsay. Hearsay of a memo that is suppose to exist, that would be considered hearsay in court. It is suppose to state, Trump did exactly what Comey said is very wrong and never happened on his watch. So, Comey lied to Congress? Or is the media lying about some note, kept by Comey, and were released to someone. That has yet to publish them.
Comey is a career lawyer, US Attorney , Deputy Attorney General and Director of the FBI. He's been noting the meetings he's had with suspects and witnesses his entire career. He'd most certainly write notes that the POTUS made inappropriate requests. Word is he also shared this information with some of his trusted colleagues.

You want the memos not to exist, but in all likelihood, they do exist.

Yep, and the media has been wrong about Flynn, except when it turned out he did work for the Russians and took money from them, did lie about working for the Turks, turned out he was under investigation, he did lie to the VP, did lie about meeting with the Russian Ambassador, etc... yep the media made all that up too.
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Old 05-18-2017, 04:55 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Not so. A memorandum that was written immediately after a private meeting is often allowed as evidence, especially if it is the only recording that exists of a meeting.

It is a he-said-she-said situation, so any memo can be challenged, but a memo isn't tossed out as evidence out of hand. Comey kept extensive notes during all his meetings, and used them to write his memos afterward. He wrote memos on every important meeting, so there are lots and lots of them.

Since he has not appeared in front of any committee yet, no one knows just now what the truth is, but with his own memo as contradiction, whatever Comey says when he does testify will probably be very similar to what he wrote earlier. It would all have to be prove to be lies, which would be very hard if there are no other records.

Since those memos were written for the purpose of remembering important spoken details that may need to become policy later, or to follow the directives of the President, it's doubtful any contain lies. Unless Trump lied when he spoke to Comey.

This ghost memorandum(Comey's notes) seems to be only leaked to a few in media, that have run with hearsay about it.
Publish this ghost memo and who leaked it, or it doesn't exist.
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Old 05-18-2017, 04:59 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Comey is a career lawyer, US Attorney , Deputy Attorney General and Director of the FBI. He's been noting the meetings he's had with suspects and witnesses his entire career. He'd most certainly write notes that the POTUS made inappropriate requests. Word is he also shared this information with some of his trusted colleagues.

You want the memos not to exist, but in all likelihood, they do exist.

Yep, and the media has been wrong about Flynn, except when it turned out he did work for the Russians and took money from them, did lie about working for the Turks, turned out he was under investigation, he did lie to the VP, did lie about meeting with the Russian Ambassador, etc... yep the media made all that up too.
We understand that..... The red flag is why the memo contradicts what he told congress, while being questioned about it. As if this exact scenario had happened, before it happened. Suspicious, what that was all about and then this... The exact same thing.
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Old 05-18-2017, 05:16 PM
 
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This ghost memorandum(Comey's notes) seems to be only leaked to a few in media, that have run with hearsay about it.
Publish this ghost memo and who leaked it, or it doesn't exist.
IE At that point you will just claim its fake. Or that the people who came forward must have been intimidated by the deep state. Admit it, nothing would satisfy you.

The memo doesn't conflict with anything said. You've had that explained repeatedly.

You move goalposts all the time.
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Old 05-18-2017, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Florida
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So nit picky. Words can be misinterpreted and have a much different meaning from the sayer to the hearer.

It happens. This is why lawyers are trained to speak vaguely and broadly as not to be trapped in a corner. Words are misinterpreted all the time. Plus we have the liberal media adding or detracting certain words to change the entire meaning.
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