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Originally Posted by GearHeadDave
Just when you think it can't get worse. Trump is his own worst enemy.
“I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Trump said. The document logging the meeting was read to The New York Times by an American official. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”
Can anyone actually believe that Trump had ANY other reason to fire Comey than to squelch the Russian investigation? And make this gloating statement directly to the Russians?
Maybe Donny felt he couldn't face the competition for Grandstander in Chief?
It's a cliche, but imagine if Obama or Clinton had done this exact thing.
This is now Absurd. And it's not illegal. Now that's really absurd.
If republicans impeach him for abusing presidential power, I will respect that. Anything less...and it is party over country.
The scary thing is the number of people who say they will not, and who have spoken of a process provided for in the Constitution as a coup. As for impeachment, if it happens, it will be a bipartisan effort. The Democrats certainly couldn't do it alone.
Boy, you don't know much at all about voters on the Dem side. I sure as hell didn't caucus for Obamacare in his first primary against Hilary because he was black, I did so in spite of it. I didn't think a black guy had a real chance, but I admired his intelligence and agreed on
His populist messages.
I also think he did a pretty great job considering he was handed two wars and an economy on its knees. Housing bust, Wall Street crashed, 10% unemployment and the worst recession since the Great Depression. His policies and actions pulled us back from that despite the most obstructionist Republican Congress ever.
Nobody on the left cares about Bill Clintons blow job ir Melania's nekkid pictures. If a true leftie brings up those pictures, it's to needle the hypocrisy of the "family values" right.
And we did laugh at you birthers, because it WAS ridiculous. The constant conspiracy theories from the right. Everything from Obama is a Muslim who will declare martial law and cancel the elections, to Jade Helm and the FEMA "detention" camps.
The right wonders why the left talks down to them? Read your post, and that of the other Trump supporters on this thread. Simple denial of reality combined with paranoid persecution conspiracy theories about fake news when confronted with Trump's own words.
When you folks decide to join us all here in moderate land, where reality lives, maybe we can all have a real policy conversation.
Well put. I was trying to figure out how to respond to all of that, but frankly found it on the TL;DR side. Thanks for sparing me the trouble.
Of course no liberal wants to see Pence in the WH...it's just better (for them) than seeing Trump in the WH.
Libs are so partisan & deluded that they'd rather see a lying, corrupt, thieving, White Water scandal player, ex-First Lady who stole from the WH, woman who paid off those whom her husband sexually harassed & blamed the women her husband sexually harassed, given the questions to debates, made sure Bernie Sanders was cheated out of his fair run, "candidate" sit in the OO.
Pathetic.
Libs are all over "leaks" when it comes to Trump...but backed their MESSIAH, without even questioning why an adult of his age and such a "world traveler" couldn't produce a birth certificate or a passport.
Let alone why Hawaii took so long to FIND that "copy" of his birth certificate.
No to mention why he wouldn't allow his college apps released to see where he said he "was from" when he applied.
HUGE scandal that the libs & MSM minimized by laughing about it all and calling those who questioned why an adult male sitting in the WH had zero copy of his BC.... "birthers".
Wouldn't be so minimized if it were Trump who couldn't find his BC.
Not to mention that Obama writes, in one of his ghost written books, that he found a copy of his BC in his "mother's things". But lost it. Again. So not important to him.
Come on...
Obama lovers believe his excuses & didn't (still do not) seem to realize that the community organizer had no experience doing much of anything. He just had the appropriate skin color to garner votes for the stupid who voted for a skin color. Both times, and especially the second time...b/c how bad of a look for Obama and his voters, that he sucked as the first black POTUS during his first 4 years in office?
The second time? Same as the first, but more of a "give the guy a second 4 years of a chance, I don't want to STILL be so wrong" vote.
Obama's tail was wagged for him. He had nothing coming in to the presidency (including a birth certificate) and left with nothing - other than his continued place as a pawn.
And what is worse?
Obama supporters actually VOTED FOR HILLARY - despite/given all of her scandals (and her husband's history of being a REAL ***** grabber & while he was in the Oval Office).
But...Melania posed naked! Bill Clinton seasoned a cigar in Monica's nether region & left his calling card on her Blue GAP dress. Melania posed naked! Bill Clinton has how many women claiming he sexually harassed them and dating back to the good old days in Arkansas?
Awww, but that's ok. MELANIA posed NAKED!
If Trump took a napkin from the WH, the call for him to be hung from the altnutjoblibleft would be everywhere.
The Russians told him to take a napkin!!
The hypocrisy - coming from the left - is so sad & pathetic.
What planet is it that you are actually discussing? was it one manufactured within a dream you had? or is this just one of those "alternative fact scripts"?
Hillary, has many years of experience. Clinton witch hunts have been going on since the 1990's, were they perfect no. And fact is Bill Clinton was not running for office!!!
Even during the Clinton Administration, truth is; what they had to deal with also was a result of Reagan and Bush's creations, which for sure Reagan left a massive trail of mess. He rides on the fall of the Soviet, but he did not make the Soviet fall, the Soviet's Made the Soviet fall... their reach too broad and their waste in Afghanistan cost them dearly, among many other things, including a rise of China and the entire Asian Pacific... of which the Soviets could not contain and could not weave their web to encompass it.
There are many elements that went into what brought down the Soviet Union and they were of many "internally".
Reagan saturated our society with Drugs from every lower income sector across this nation and damaged the workers rights in every industry in American, took away mental health care and devastated the University system and set a price hike game that led to nothing but the over priced selling of out of date degrees. Bush came with his "New World Order", that pushed the Global methodology as if he thought that the history of Imperialist powers could be the overseer and rake in profits to America at the dominance over others.
Clinton found himself thrust into a world where the word "outsource was so dominantly" America sold anything and everything that had any element of legacy, and we became a nation functioning on nothing more than "imports", and the hey day of the Import and Outsource gave a money spike that met a crash, and the internet came and led to the world of nation, finding 'par" with other nation in how information was used and the systems that used it, and the American edge during the pre computer age was lot....
We could not even build computers in American, and that was followed up with not only the lost appliance industry of decades earlier, everything that was digital and electronic was made in foreign lands, medication and clothing, foot wear, and even food component ingredients, until, American found itself not able to furnish its homes or even build them without imports, and that led to the fact we can't even dress ourselves without foreign produced products.
Union were busted in the collective of years, and workers lost benefits, pensions and even the security of jobs and we became nothing more than a society of strip mall foreign product sellers, followed by a mass of American being turned into dime store clerks.... the rise of dollars stores, led by the take over of Walmart that became city killers of small business. The spike and crash was inevitable...
Then came the Second Bush, and the result was a escalated debt cycle that spiraled up and still has not stopped rising, while the entire Middle East became Destabilized, until the reverberation nearly took down the world economy and devastated American's economy.
Obama comes and get it back on Track all the white Republican were wielding Axes, trying to chop down all the works to shore us up and strengthen the American public while building diplomatic relations to restore American as a International responsible leader. All of which followed constant assault from the Republican system for the full of the 8 yrs of his Presidency... Even wanting him to re institutes war conflicts when we had two wars still active.
We saw Trump go bat shet crazy, and now we see everything Trump criticized was nothing but bigotry and anguish at the mere presence of a BLACK MAN in office, and today, we see Trump finding himself, trying to emulate what he criticized and unaware of Constitution basis and the Politics premises, and shooting from the hip like a cowboy, hoping a ricochet will hit something, after it has damaged everything in proximity of his un-aimed shots.
We see the exposure of the extreme level of the uneducated, the political illiterate yelping and whining, and pushing to support an arrogant self gloating bigot... Who thinks his role as a 10 block mob backed real estate building and one who sling up golf courses in the wilderness lands, and has no idea that his city based empire, has such insignificance the massive nature of what is America and the global community.
Yet, Trump comes in with an agenda, to tear down anything and everything that manage controls, were he thinks he can open the flood gates for global illicit money to benefit his business and those of blind chases of wealthy can capitalize.
Mix that in with his aims to try and disband the Federal system and promote a Confederate style system where State Rights seek to Ignore Federal System structure, policies, regulations and guidelines..... as if the set up a weakening of the United State Federal Governance system, and create a Confederacy Ideal, with hope that he can make American function like Russia, where the wealthy control as similar to Russia's Oligarchs.... while the undertone trying to recreate the system of Antebellum manner in how this nations functions.
This is what is the reality of the nation in caught in the middle of this mess and the madness of a Republican system that ran a whole campaign on one slogan.. "Oppose Obama".... their bigotry was and is so ingrained, all they can think is "squash the legacy of the black man, and try to erase it, as if that is their sole mission immediate aims, because they can't bear the thought of a man, of ethnicity, that such Confederate Idealist once consider blacks as being not even people.
They want to regulate women to a diminished level, as if they can recreate a system, where only "white men can claim again, that the Constitution is Only for Them", and Politician can be led by nothing but the voice and desires of the wealthy while it indentures the masses into a dedicated system of levels upon levels of indenture and relegation to the "service class status".
Who function like SERF's who are devoted to backing and supporting the wealthy who want sole policy making positions and decisions as in control over the governance system, with no taxes paid by the wealthy and the disbanding of any social programs that has any elements of being of service to the people.
Antebellum society was not one that had any concerns for the poor or the working poor, they see them as 100% "replaceable", and when they get too old to make money for the system, they designed a medical program that is guaranteed to usher in a quicker death to anyone who is too sick or too aged to work.
The system of the Autocratic programming of a two class society, The Wealthy Vs The Poor and Working poor, who is to be considered as nothing more the the Wealthy and the Service Class.
But, why would any Republican be able to see with such discerning and expanse of awareness, not even in the early days of their Confederate Roots were they able to see, and the new label of the confederacy is the word "Conservative", and they are as blind as were the Confederate supporters.
Just when you think it can't get worse. Trump is his own worst enemy.
“I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Trump said. The document logging the meeting was read to The New York Times by an American official. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”
Can anyone actually believe that Trump had ANY other reason to fire Comey than to squelch the Russian investigation? And make this gloating statement directly to the Russians?
Think about it for a moment with out Liberal emotion! Comey step out side of the guidelines of the FBI and compromised the Clinton Investigation with ample evidence. Comey has not been able to seal the leaks in the FBI.
Comey was running his own ship and that somehow him and his inner circle was justified?
What planet is it that you are actually discussing? was it one manufactured within a dream you had? or is this just one of those "alternative fact scripts"?
Hillary, has many years of experience. Clinton witch hunts have been going on since the 1990's, were they perfect no. And fact is Bill Clinton was not running for office!!!
Even during the Clinton Administration, truth is; what they had to deal with also was a result of Reagan and Bush's creations, which for sure Reagan left a massive trail of mess. He rides on the fall of the Soviet, but he did not make the Soviet fall, the Soviet's Made the Soviet fall... their reach too broad and their waste in Afghanistan cost them dearly, among many other things, including a rise of China and the entire Asian Pacific... of which the Soviets could not contain and could not weave their web to encompass it.
Clinton found himself thrust into a world where the word "outsource was so dominantly" America sold anything and everything that had any element of legacy, and we became a nation functioning on nothing more than "imports", and the hey day of the Import and Outsource gave a money spike that met a crash, and the internet came and led to the world of nation, finding 'par" with other nation in how information was used and the systems that used it, and the American edge during the pre computer age was lot....
.
Union were busted in the collective of years, and workers lost benefits, pensions and even the security of jobs and we became nothing more than a society of strip mall foreign product sellers, followed by a mass of American being turned into dime store clerks.... the rise of dollars stores, led by the take over of Walmart that became city killers of small business. The spike and crash was inevitable...
Then came the Second Bush, and the result was a escalated debt cycle that spiraled up and still has not stopped rising, while the entire Middle East became Destabilized, until the reverberation nearly took down the world economy and devastated American's economy.
Obama comes and get it back on Track all the white Republican were wielding Axes, trying to chop down all the works to shore us up and strengthen the American public while building diplomatic relations to restore American as a International responsible leader. All of which followed constant assault from the Republican system for the full of the 8 yrs of his Presidency... Even wanting him to re institutes war conflicts when we had two wars still active.
We saw Trump go bat shet crazy, and now we see everything Trump criticized was nothing but bigotry and anguish at the mere presence of a BLACK MAN in office, and today, we see Trump finding himself, trying to emulate what he criticized and unaware of Constitution basis and the Politics premises, and shooting from the hip like a cowboy, hoping a ricochet will hit something, after it has damaged everything in proximity of his un-aimed shots. We see the exposure of the extreme level of the uneducated, the political illiterate yelping and whining, and pushing to support an arrogant self gloating bigot... Who thinks his role as a 10 block mob backed real estate building and one who sling up golf courses in the wilderness lands, and has no idea that his city based empire, has such insignificance the massive nature of what is America and the global community.
Yet, Trump comes in with an agenda, to tear down anything and everything that manage controls, were he thinks he can open the flood gates for global illicit money to benefit his business and those of blind chases of wealthy can capitalize.
Mix that in with his aims to try and disband the Federal system and promote a Confederate style system where State Rights seek to Ignore Federal System structure, policies, regulations and guidelines..... as if the set up a weakening of the United State Federal Governance system, and create a Confederacy Ideal, with hope that he can make American function like Russia, where the wealthy control as similar to Russia's Oligarchs.... while the undertone trying to recreate the system of Antebellum manner in how this nations functions.
This is what is the reality of the nation in caught in the middle of this mess and the madness of a Republican system that ran a whole campaign on one slogan.. "Oppose Obama".... their bigotry was and is so ingrained, all they can think is "squash the legacy of the black man, and try to erase it, as if that is their sole mission immediate aims, because they can't bear the thought of a man, of ethnicity, that such Confederate Idealist once consider blacks as being not even people.
They want to regulate women to a diminished level, as if they can recreate a system, where only "white men can claim again, that the Constitution is Only for Them", and Politician can be led by nothing but the voice and desires of the wealthy while it indentures the masses into a dedicated system of levels upon levels of indenture and relegation to the "service class status".
Who function like SERF's who are devoted to backing and supporting the wealthy who want sole policy making positions and decisions as in control over the governance system, with no taxes paid by the wealthy and the disbanding of any social programs that has any elements of being of service to the people.
The system of the Autocratic programming of a two class society, The Wealthy Vs The Poor and Working poor, who is to be considered as nothing more the the Wealthy and the Service Class.
But, why would any Republican be able to see with such discerning and expanse of awareness, not even in the early days of their Confederate Roots were they able to see, and the new label of the confederacy is the word "Conservative", and they are as blind as were the Confederate supporters.
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Indeed we have scattered thoughts here and you point out the GOP and Conservatives as the new confederacy? The same can be said about the left whom endorses Socialism and wealth Redistribution. The failure of the DNC in general is how they get people hooked on life time welfare benefits which makes our society weak. and we develop generational dependency.
Obama had the audacity to say one wealth is not yours and the wealthy person did not even earn it. So their for the profits should go to society. Instead of crating jobs which makes the poor be kicked up to the Middle class.
The Clinton Cartel has been document for years and many cased short of going to prison for Murder, Sexual Assault, Racketeering and money laundering the Clinton net is and was design to protect the Clintons, while propelling their political adjectives.
Many speak about the Bush debt, but no one speaks about the root caused of the national debt under GW. Obama wishes he had the debt GW did and Obama ran the most debt of all American Presidents Combined.
Under Clinton the IT Industry crashed and the results followed. Clinton prompted up Fanny Mae /Mac and Acorn set up the perfect storm when they sued Bank of America for unfair lending practices.
GW had a very product Presidencies until the housing collapse. Top Democrats Maxine Water, Chris Dodd (Countrywide Scandal) and Barney Franks cover Raines form be prosecuted for band loans and illegal credit approvals.
GW was demonized by Liberals, but what is funny GW had it right in the end on our defense and how former President should respect the office of the President.
Obama was protected by the Clinton Machine. Obama has been viewed to be the not unconstitutional President on record or at the very least took his policies to the line. His past is till up for debate for generation to come.
Conservatives are for less Gov. and a strong National defense. Which has nothing to do with the Confederacy and you sir are trying to paint Conservatives Racists.
We see how Liberal have been truing to rewrite American History. Proof, Look a a History book from the 1970's and now. sugar coated American History we have now.
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Dershowitz to Tucker Carlson ...not a crime.
Comey step out side of the guidelines of the FBI and compromised the Clinton Investigation with ample evidence. Comey has not been able to seal the leaks in the FBI.
when they sued Bank of America for unfair lending practices. 