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It doesn't matter what Trump or his family does. The supporters will adjust their "family values" to make it fit. For example. Jared Kushner represents everything Middle heartland "real Christian white patriotic " despise. The man is living breathing example of a left coast NY elitist. Ronald Reagan (the rights superhero pol) fought the Russian aggression yet now middle America would side with Russia over their own country. What happens if Trump decides to increase taxes ? Would his supporters flip on that to? I say yes.
They are brainwashed or brainless. No matter what he does - starts wars, breaks up with long term allies, has criminals in his admin, gets impeached, etc. - they will still support him.
Remember, this is a guy who had a suit against him for doing 13 years old girls. Using this and his other reputations....and the Tip of the Iceberg Theory, this is a Evil Man. Or, more accurately, he knows not what he does...or feels entitled to do it.
He makes Ronald Reagan look like George Washington. And Obama looks like FDR. Heck, he makes GW Bush look good (and Bush was one of the worst ever).
This is the problem with Authoritarianism. As Trump said himself, he could walk out on the street and shoot someone and his followers would still bow to him.
It's not like we (anyone who reads and thinks) ever thought that Americans were educated and logical. We were working off gains made by past generation and by imperialism (stealing other countries resources, etc.).....but that's over now, and Wall Street is stripping out what is left and telling the workers they should be glad to have a job (and lousy health care, and no pension, and poor vacation and sick day policies, etc.)...
America is toast. As it was, we were in a 20 year recovery from the GW Bush debacle. Now Trump will throw us into a couple more decades of ruin (world war, etc.).
You must think you just popped up out of thin air? You are a Product of HISTORY. It's overtly evident "Selective Amnesia" has not served you very well.... Learning from History helps a smart society know how to avoid past mistakes.... In the case of many, as yourself has demonstrated... you evidently missed the historical messages... "Denial, Deflection, Avoidance and Rebuke of Truth seems to be a strong-hold for you.
HISTORY IS TRUTH, that cannot be erased. Learn how to Learn From It... you might come to understand something about principles. "PRINCIPLES DON'T CHANGE, VARIABLES MAY RE-ARRANGE"... IF you become capable of understanding that, then you will understand the comparative references. You might even learn something about the power of habits upon patterns of social conduct.
I have seen history repeat itself every time a Democrat was in the White House. Clinton being the exception lucked out that the Bush tax bill provided him with revenue and the dotcom era was a boom to the economy. Combine that with the way he and Cuomo manipulated the real estate and mortgaging market by pushing the can down the rd for nearly a decade we had an impulsion of epic proportion in 2008. This wasn't the first time Democrats blew up the world for their own self-serving` power interest and blamed Republicans. It's all there.
All Democrats have done and will continue to do is lie and race bait. Frankly it is the only thing they are good at now.
Nope, Kush gets his just rewards along with everyone else involved, ignorance of the law is not an excuse. I wonder if trump will allow him to remain married to Ivonka if he is a jailbird, but then again she may also face some issues of her own, after all she is working in the WH, she is married and works with her hubby and since this happened in Trump Tower where is that guy that knows everything that happens in his house. This gets more interesting every week.
You are correct, Ivanka IS "DEEPLY COMPLICIT" in the whole of it, not only concerning her husband, but her daddy and all the rest of the Administration.. Being pretty does not get her a pass, and no matter how in aware of her breast that many of these old geezers are, that will not excuse her. She did it willingly, and in so doing usurped her Step Mother in her desperate chase for the limelight and she did that usurping with her daddy's blessing. Melania, know!!! and its quite likely she resents him with a passion, she's at present like a caged bird... and we do know... when possible "Caged Birds Do Sing".... Hopefully when the dominoes start to fall, she steps forward and tells all.
The whole family has a very corrupt tinge to their appearances and manner. Trump Jr. has already said that the Russian have been great contributors to their business gains. I won't call it "success", because it is too much criminal matters involved.
In American, people have to "show where they get money from", but Trump took Russian money, and very likely knew that it was illicitilty gained... Even in Trump Tower, the money washing Russian Gang set up house, and it is very unlikely that Trump did not know who has tenancy in his buildings. He's been monitoring that for decades, back to the days of his Racial Discrimination Charges.
All we are seeing is the Corrupt Side of American's who support corruptions and subversion, as well as treasonous acts, which demonstrates that this segment of American will say and do anything for money and some vain hope that the wealthy (regardless of how they got wealthy) will take care of them.
American history has many elements that show how this madness has morphed itself into the current day mess of an Administration.
I have seen history repeat itself every time a Democrat was in the White House. Clinton being the exception lucked out that the Bush tax bill provided him with revenue and the dotcom era was a boom to the economy. Combine that with the way he and Cuomo manipulated the real estate and mortgaging market by pushing the can down the rd for nearly a decade we had an impulsion of epic proportion in 2008. This wasn't the first time Democrats blew up the world for their own self-serving` power interest and blamed Republicans. It's all there.
All Democrats have done and will continue to do is lie and race bait. Frankly it is the only thing they are good at now.
You truly need to learn more about history. Every since the 1969 move of Southern Democrats to become Republican, the Democrats party took up the cause of Civil Rights, once the rabid Southern Democrats were removed from the Democratic Party. These same Rabid Southern Democrats infected and took over the Republican party, with a vain aim and hope, they could roll back Civil Rights Legislation, because it was the Former Pre 1969 Republican who voted to pass the Civil Rights Act.
When the Rabid Southern Confederacy Minded Democrats infected the Republican Party... Democrats have been the champions to promote Civil Rights.
During Clinton Administration, there is much you don't know... Yes, the Internet was a boom for American, but the former Bush program of "A New World Order" ushered in the frame up for massive Outsourcing and American became an even more dominant Importers, and yes, during Clinton's Term, much was fueled by low cost imports saturating our economy, but we also had the remnants of the Reagan Era massive Drug Money, that was shifting from the Southern Coast of Florida to the West Coast and up and down the East Coast, which fueled a massive expansion in construction. Aid this in with De-regulation that still reverberated from the Reagan Era, Clinton seeing the growth made a mistake when he abandoned Glass-Steigel. Reagan instituted De-regulation madness took off pushing outsourcing even more to the forefront, and American's though they could be the "paper shuffling administrators who profited from cheap Chinese labor", and it all "BACKFIRED.
The Computer gave the world the ability to manage its own affairs of business and commerce, and they began to kick the American Business people out of Chinese Factored, "after" they used the (Greedy) Americans to set up inroads for goods to flow unchecked into America. America's Greed is what did it in.
Then add in "Automation", the advent of the computer changed Industry Forever, but one needs to go learn about the mergers and acquisition, the junk bond industry games, stock manipulation and insider trading, and the mass of elements that are all throw backs to the Reagan Administrations Policies and practices, which devastated industries for a solid three decades after Reagan left office. By the early 2000's it came to a head with the crash of the economy in 2007-2009.
When you come to learn that Presidential acts often take a decade or more to show their real impact, then you might realize what a Disaster that Ronald Reagan's Policies set in motion.
I don't expect the average participant to this site to grasp any of this,
I won't even blame them 100% for not grasping it, because many are from an era, that sprang up from 'bully talk", "put down commentary" and brash belligerence as their generalized societal basis of being. They were just like the people Pre-civil rights era, who were staunch anti black advocates, who only contained themselves, when the laws said they would be charged and locked up if they continued the previous habits they engaged pre-civil rights. Some changed, but many simply hid in the shadows and maintained their sense of civic and civil vile. Now, with Trump, they feel embolden and they bring their rabid sense of bigotry and racist madness back to the forefront.
It may be an advisable thing to invest to learn history or don't make comments that you have no idea what you are talking. Right winger media and buzz phrase talking points will not suffice to address the details of history.
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You truly need to learn more about history. Every since the 1969 move of Southern Democrats to become Republican, the Democrats party took up the cause of Civil Rights, once the rabid Southern Democrats were removed from the Democratic Party. These same Rabid Southern Democrats infected and took over the Republican party, with a vain aim and hope, they could roll back Civil Rights Legislation, because it was the Former Pre 1969 Republican who voted to pass the Civil Rights Act.
when the Rabid Southern Confederacy Minded Democrats infected the Republican Party... Democrats have been the champions to promote Civil Rights.
Either learn history or don't make comments that you have no idea what you are talking.
That is a good fictional read.
LBJ and the "Great Society" would have ni**ers voting Democrat for the next 200 years.
The republican ideas and truth of individual liberties, emboldening people to think for themselves, turned the south Republican. At the end of the Civil War, Freemen out numbered white's 10 to one.
Ideas of freedom and individual liberties, over the collective thinking for you, has great appeal.
LBJ, created the Great Plantation, to create a victim class only the government could fix, for a vote. They know what's best for you.
That is the difference in Conservative and Progressive(it isn't a Political Party thing)
Conservatives want you to get all the facts and let you think for yourself and you make the choice what is best for you. If you need help just ask.
Progressives know what is best for you as your place and roll in a group in the collective. They want to decide what you do, when you can do it, what you can do it with, and how you do it. They will hide the facts, so you cannot think for yourself and rely on the Progressive elites to think for you. If you stray out of the group think, you are immediately punished and re-educated, that you didn't see that.
So, no wonder more and more areas of the nation, are Conservative. The collective killing fields called cities, are where the progressive collective has taken every bit of liberty you ever had in public and put rules and restrictions on everything and place a fee on it to pay for the privilege.
LBJ and the "Great Society" would have ni**ers voting Democrat for the next 200 years.
The republican ideas and truth of individual liberties, emboldening people to think for themselves, turned the south Republican. At the end of the Civil War, Freemen out numbered white's 10 to one.
Ideas of freedom and individual liberties, over the collective thinking for you, has great appeal.
LBJ, created the Great Plantation, to create a victim class only the government could fix, for a vote. They know what's best for you.
That is the difference in Conservative and Progressive(it isn't a Political Party thing)
Conservatives want you to get all the facts and let you think for yourself and you make the choice what is best for you. If you need help just ask.
Progressives know what is best for you as your place and roll in a group in the collective. They want to decide what you do, when you can do it, what you can do it with, and how you do it. They will hide the facts, so you cannot think for yourself and rely on the Progressive elites to think for you. If you stray out of the group think, you are immediately punished and re-educated, that you didn't see that.
So, no wonder more and more areas of the nation, are Conservative. The collective killing fields called cities, are where the progressive collective has taken every bit of liberty you ever had in public and put rules and restrictions on everything and place a fee on it to pay for the privilege.
What ever your ~ ni**ers ~ is suppose to mean, is likely a derogatory inference that has already shown your ignorance.
CONSERVATIVES want to RE-CREATE THE PAST, you should learn what words mean before you start using them.
CONSERVATIVE = a person who is adverse to change, and hold values that are based on their traditional interpretation as to politics.
In your case, its those who aspire to the edicts of an Antebellum system.
No matter how anguished you are, you won't get to recreate the 1930's nor the 1950's, and your fiction of white dominance and the insane delusional madness of thinking in terms of white superiority, only cements your inferiority and displays it front and center.
for what you don't know, LBJ's plan for "Economic Uplift" was for American people, but why would someone like you understand it, because you are angry because he promoted the Civil Rights Bill and Voting Bill, and there is not a damn thing you can do about it. War and white anguish at Civil Rights is what distracted Johnson from further promoting elements that could make Society Better, he had to fight off a bunch of racist like yourself.
You should have learn more, and you would have known how and why people vote Democrats, then you'd know what was a Racist Southern Democrat, and how they became the make up of the Republican Party.
But, why would anyone expect someone like you to know anything about that. You are excused, your ignorance has proceeded you. )
It is because of people like you, that society needs even more Civil Regulatory Management, to contain your type of madness. You have not evolved. Science, Technology, Social Knowledge and Civic Awareness, Environmental Protections and all such things is far too advanced in every respect, that you'd likely never catch up in awareness nor understanding as to the value of Regulator Governance. You still want to live like the illiterate ignoramuses of the past.
Maybe learn what is the difference in what is a city and what is a rural community or a small town. There is no cities that can exist without regulation. One can't allow dogs to roam the streets in the city, like one can do in the rural country side, one can't have pigs running around in the front yard in a city, as they can in the country side. The people who want to live in rural areas, that are unincorporated, need to learn what is the difference in the two environments.
No one is running to Rural Areas installing regulation upon the people, that is purely left up to the local governance of that locality, when it grows, it is the people in those areas who support their elected official to institute regulations. When they no longer want a guy setting up a welding shop in his front yard, or turning his side lot into a broken down junk yard, they create regulations to prohibit it.
I don't see all Trump people as being racist, but I do know that some racist have felt embolden by Trump and his Campaign Programming.
You would do well to learn more about the varying difference in the american landscape and its many variations of community types. Many people move outside of city limits because they want to do things that are not allowed in cities and city communities. It also is "local people" who also vote and elect people to vote who expand to include previously unincorporated areas into the collective of the city incorporation.
I have family members who wanted a more rural life and more country side environments, where they could do things they could not do in the cities. Nothing is wrong with that, but one has to understand the difference in what is a city and what is an unincorporated areas. There are many Rural communities, that have regulation that manage their environments, and some may not like it, but the majority in that environment has chosen to install those regulations. I have known and still know many white people as well as blacks who live in rural environments, because that is what they like, and they like to do things they know they can't do in a city environment. It includes people in my family line who are both black and white, so, I am not buying into your racist madness, I've had girlfriends that were white, black, aseanic and other, and they are all just people and that means I engaged to interact and make friends with their families and friends, so.... the stuff you are slinging is pure racist madness, that many people don't have time for it, and don't care for it.
As to Governance and Regulations:
The Federal system is more Generic, it does not tell a city how to shape itself. It does however have greater influence in how cities function, because it is an incorporated environment that brings it under the governance of more Federal Oversight in how Federal Regulation support the system of city incorporation.
People don't want to learn these things and just grip and whine and cry without thinking....
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What ever your ~ ni**ers ~ is suppose to mean, is likely a derogatory inference that has already shown your ignorance.
I'm sorry, maybe I should have put that in quotation marks.... Or, did you not know that is what LBJ said, before he enslaved millions into the plantation lifestyle, where government decides for you, because you are not capable of thinking or providing for yourself. Government knows what is best for you and you are programmed to be told what to do.... Not I, I made no derogatory statement. That is the guy that got all the victim class to jump on the plantation. Your hero, LBJ said that.
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Right winger media and buzz phrase talking points will not suffice to address the details of history. 
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