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Old 05-30-2017, 12:32 PM
 
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I'm not sure they could get 50 votes.
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Old 05-30-2017, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...53853750013953

Well at least his Twitter was not horrible, just a bad premise that could easily blow up in Republican Senator's faces if people don't like healthcare reform or tax reform to help the rich. That said, Trump's tax plan is still shrouded in mystery.
The thing is, the senate can already pass both with the current senate "Byrd" reconciliation rule.
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Old 05-30-2017, 12:46 PM
 
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He is so desperate for a "win" he is grasping at straws. What a pathetic excuse for a President.
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Old 05-30-2017, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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He is so desperate for a "win" he is grasping at straws. What a pathetic excuse for a President.
This is your opinion but not that of everyone's. He isn't doing anything wrong, he is simply asking them to use the Byrd rule.

You don't like him, I can understand but to say he is pathetic is over the top. His problem is: he does think he is running a business and he was very niave when he decided he wanted to be president. Most of what he wants to do is good, not bad and it is what he said he would do, the problem he has no idea how to get things done. Will he ever change? Most likely not, if no one has gotten through to him by now, it is unlikely they ever will. No matter what the future brings I would still rather see him in the white house than the choices we were given.
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Old 05-30-2017, 12:59 PM
 
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Most of what he wants to do is good, not bad and it is what he said he would do
How can you claim that Trumpcare is good and what he said he would do? He said numerous times he wouldnt cut SS, Medicaid and Medicare and provide health care for all at a lower cost. His Trumpcare bill? Massive cuts in health care for the disabled, the sick, the poor children and the rural folks in order to provide huge tax cuts for the billionaire class incl billions in tax breaks for his family. Whats so great about this? I dont get it.
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Old 05-30-2017, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Brew City
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This is your opinion but not that of everyone's. He isn't doing anything wrong, he is simply asking them to use the Byrd rule.

You don't like him, I can understand but to say he is pathetic is over the top. His problem is: he does think he is running a business and he was very niave when he decided he wanted to be president. Most of what he wants to do is good, not bad and it is what he said he would do, the problem he has no idea how to get things done. Will he ever change? Most likely not, if no one has gotten through to him by now, it is unlikely they ever will. No matter what the future brings I would still rather see him in the white house than the choices we were given.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
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Old 05-30-2017, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I think without some changes it is unlikely he would have the votes to get any of this passed but the title of this tread is misleading to say the least. he isn't asking for a change in the rules, he is asking them to apply a rarely used rule. Well I guess he is asking for a change as this is not the way bills are normally passed.
Which rule is that? Trump is asking for 51 vote, not the Byrd Rule.

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The thing is, the senate can already pass both with the current senate "Byrd" reconciliation rule.
They might be able Byrd Rule the ACHA and tax code but it still don't make it a good idea to Byrd Rule the ACHA and tax code. That said the Byrd Rule is about an objection to a budget bill. ACHA and the tax code are not "budget bills."
Chuck Schumer: New healthcare amendment violates Byrd Rule
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Old 05-30-2017, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...53853750013953

Well at least his Twitter was not horrible, just a bad premise that could easily blow up in Republican Senator's faces if people don't like healthcare reform or tax reform to help the rich. That said, Trump's tax plan is still shrouded in mystery.

No legislative body nor any other branch of government, should have the option of granting itself more power. No political party that is in a majority in a legislature, should be able to increase its power by its own vote, effective immediately. Such things violate the balance of powers that is at the foundation of our constitutional principles.
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Old 05-30-2017, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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This is your opinion but not that of everyone's. He isn't doing anything wrong, he is simply asking them to use the Byrd rule.

You don't like him, I can understand but to say he is pathetic is over the top. His problem is: he does think he is running a business and he was very niave when he decided he wanted to be president. Most of what he wants to do is good, not bad and it is what he said he would do, the problem he has no idea how to get things done. Will he ever change? Most likely not, if no one has gotten through to him by now, it is unlikely they ever will. No matter what the future brings I would still rather see him in the white house than the choices we were given.
What Trump is doing is good? Are you serious? Trumpcare's own website admits that if you leave your job, your job changes plans, or you lapse healthcare in anyway you could be faced with pre-existing condition charges like in pre-ACA healthcare. The website also states 27% of people COULD be faced with this...
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Under pre-ACA rules, insurance companies could define their own set of standards for medical underwriting. Some insurers set stricter guidelines than others. If you have one of the following conditions or medical problems, then you may be subject to medical underwriting if you let your coverage lapse under Trumpcare:

Acid reflux
Acne (adult)
Acromegaly
ADD or ADHD
AIDS/HIV
Alcohol abuse or drug abuse with recent treatment
Alzheimer’s or dementia
Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS)
Anemia (aplastic, Cooley’s, hemolytic, Mediterranean or sickle cell)
Anorexia
Anxiety
Aortic or mitral valve stenosis
Arteriosclerosis
Arthritis (rheumatoid), fibromyalgia, or other inflammatory joint diseases
Asbestosis
Asthma
Cancer within a set period (10 years, in some cases)
Cardiomyopathy
Celiac disease
Cerebral palsy
Chronic bronchitis in the past 12 months
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) or emphysema
Cirrhosis of the liver
Coagulation defects
Congestive heart failure
Coronary artery or heart disease, or bypass surgery
Crohn’s disease or ulcerative colitis
C-section
Cystic fibrosis
Demyelinating disease
Depression
Dermatomyositis
Diabetes
Diabetes mellitus
Dialysis
Disability (various)
Epilepsy
Esophageal varicosities
Friedreich’s ataxia
Glaucoma
Heart disease
Heartburn
Hemophilia
Hepatitis (Type B, C or chronic)
High blood pressure (hypertension)
High cholesterol
Hysterectomy
Infertility
Kidney disease or renal failure
Kidney stones
Knee surgery
Lupus
Lyme disease
Melanoma skin cancer
Menstrual irregularities
Mental disorders (including severe depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, OCD, eating disorders and schizophrenia)
Migraines
Multiple sclerosis
Muscular dystrophy
Myasthenia Gravis
Narcolepsy
Obesity and/or a BMI over 40
Organ transplant
Pacemaker
Paralysis
Paraplegia
Parkinson’s disease
Pending surgery or hospitalization
Pneumocystic pneumonia
Polycythemia Vera
Postpartum depression
Pregnancy or expectant parent (includes men)
Psoriatic arthritis
Pulmonary fibrosis
Sarcoidosis
Scleroderma
Seasonal affective disorder
Seizures
Sex reassignment
Sjogren’s syndrome
Sleep apnea
Stroke
Transsexualism
Tuberculosis
Ulcers (peptic)
“Sexual deviation or disorder”
Even the list above isn’t exhaustive. There are hundreds of conditions that an insurer might use during the medical underwriting process, including sub-conditions or very specific definitions of certain conditions, like cancer. The definition of “pre-existing” could include conditions that you’ve had in the past but don’t currently have. If you’ve ever had the following conditions and/or had difficulty due to the following conditions, then you may also be subject to medical underwriting if you let your coverage lapse under the AHCA:

Angina
Blood forming organ problem
CHD
COPD
Diabetes
Depression
Drug, alcohol or substance abuse
Emphysema
Endocrine problem
Heart attack
Mental retardation
Non-skin cancer
Schizophrenia, ADD or bipolar disorder
Senility
Stroke
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Old 05-30-2017, 01:12 PM
 
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No legislative body nor any other branch of government, should have the option of granting itself more power. No political party that is in a majority in a legislature, should be able to increase its power by its own vote, effective immediately. Such things violate the balance of powers that is at the foundation of our constitutional principles.
The Constitution allows the Senate to create its own rules.

Good idea or not, doing this is completely Constitutional.
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