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View Poll Results: Acceptance of evolution vs climate science
I accept evolution and climate science 121 68.36%
I accept evolution but deny climate science 38 21.47%
I deny evolution but accept climate science 4 2.26%
I deny evolution and climate science 14 7.91%
Voters: 177. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-01-2017, 11:56 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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The jar experiment has to have higher CO2 than 400 ppm in order to be measurable on a household thermometer. But the experiment is still valid to show the basic mechanism.
The jar experiment proves that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. No one doubts that. It does not show how strong of a greenhouse gas it is, or how it will affect the Earth's climate.


I have long been of the belief that humans are changing the climate. I have merely rejected the alarmists claims that it will lead to a catastrophe in the next century.

What I have been saying to climate-change advocates for years, is to stop using alarmist language. People like Al Gore said repeatedly that we would have a hundred-million climate refugees in only a decade or two. That we would have run-away global-warming, and the rate of increase of the Earth's temperature would rise exponentially.


If you look at the IPCC predictions since the 1990's, all of them predicted basically runaway global-warming by now. Yet, for most of the last two decades, temperatures have largely remained flat.

When they were wrong, they refused to back down, claiming that the heat is in the ocean. Yet, by their own admission, if the energy was flowing into the oceans, then we should see higher-than-normal rise in sea-levels. Yet in the last few years, sea-levels have actually fallen slightly.

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/


If the climate-change advocates had stuck to the facts, and not made so many ridiculous and politicized claims. And had they not attempted to belittle anyone who didn't just go along with it, then the state of the climate-change debate would be far less idiotic than it is today.
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Old 06-02-2017, 12:01 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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The problem with the climate-change debate, is that anyone who disagrees with whatever the IPCC says, is labeled a climate-change denier, and thus anti-science.

You must either accept all of the climate-alarmist dogma, or you are a denier. There is no middle-ground.
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Old 06-02-2017, 05:30 AM
 
Location: NJ
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For this poll, "climate science" refers to the overwhelming scientific consensus that the planet is warming and humans are contributing. Evolution refers to Darwinian evolution, not micro-evolution or any other creationist spin on it. Do you accept evolution and climate science? Do you accept one and not the other? Do you accept neither?
no such animal as 'climate science'


the earth cycles thru changing climates, rising and falling seas. It's what the earth does.


the hoax is the weaponized science used to forward a politcal agenda for governmental domination and profit. The hoax is that there is a linear relationship between money spent and reversing the earth's warming cycle. Can't cure a cold yet we are told that the earth's climate and rising seas can be reversed thru a theoretical treaty, piles of money, all at the cost of economic peril.


of course species evolved, not necessarily without spiritual intervention.


The liberal argument only considers extremes, never degrees of compromise. that is why there are no liberal solutions never materialize. To liberals process is their goal, never an endpoint unless it is academic theory.
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Old 06-02-2017, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Global warming deniers...

They get their "science" from Limbaugh and Hannity.

It shows.

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Old 06-02-2017, 08:02 AM
 
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In the end, does the reason matter?

Climate is changing..natural..man-made, or a combination. The question is..What can we do to adjust?
We do need to adjust. It will take a lot of planning and ... budgeting.

The infrastructure damage will eventually be considerable.

We can not have an intelligent discussion on these matters, until everyone agrees that we need to. We are stuck.
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Old 06-02-2017, 08:04 AM
 
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no such animal as 'climate science'

...

the hoax is the weaponized science used to forward a politcal agenda for governmental domination and profit.
Tinfoil hat time ...
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Old 06-02-2017, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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We do need to adjust. It will take a lot of planning and ... budgeting.

The infrastructure damage will eventually be considerable.

We can not have an intelligent discussion on these matters, until everyone agrees that we need to. We are stuck.
the problem is we cant 'adjust'

climate change is a natural thing... does man have an effect on it...sure , but it is minimal about 5%


we could stop ALL use of any type of fossil fuel (which includes natural gas and wood) send us back to the stone-ages (before fffiiire) and it will not change a thing...

co2 will still be produced just like it was before man, we will still warm, till we hit that peak point (historically been about 73'f) then we will cool

co2 is not the only greenhouse gas... co2 is not only produced by burning fossil fuel
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Old 06-02-2017, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Tinfoil hat time ...
the tinfoil comes with the people who think that man is the majority of climate change, and we can cause this natural change to turn around with the flick of a switch
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Old 06-02-2017, 08:31 AM
 
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the tinfoil comes with the people who think that man is the majority of climate change, and we can cause this natural change to turn around with the flick of a switch
No one claims that we can stop climate change at the flick of a switch (you are exaggerating, but I am not sure why). Anyone making such a claim would reveal a lack of understanding of the problem.

The Paris accords are hardly adequate, it represents a modest effort but a step in the right direction. It is well established that carbon emissions exacerbate the problem considerably.

In fact, science shows that Co2 levels have fluctuated over many millennia and we have been at the peak of the most recent cycle. Instead of reversing as has happened in the past, Co2 levels continue to rise at an accelerated rate.
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All we can do is hope to mitigate the damage. For example: there is a huge difference in the affects of a sea level rise of three feet as opposed to five feet. Whatever we can do is worth the effort.


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Old 06-02-2017, 08:33 AM
 
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No one claims that we can stop climate change at the flick of a switch (you are exaggerating, but I am not sure why). Anyone making such a claim would reveal a lack of understanding of the problem.

The Paris accords are hardly adequate, it represents a modest effort but a step in the right direction. It is well established that carbon emissions exacerbate the problem considerably.

In fact, science shows that Co2 levels have fluctuated over many millennia and we have been at the peak of the most recent cycle. Instead of reversing as has happened in the past, Co2 levels continue to rise at an accelerated rate.


All we can do is hope to mitigate the damage. For example: there is a huge difference in the affects of a sea level rise of three feet as opposed to five feet. Whatever we can do is worth the effort.

He keeps using these stupid hockey stick graphs that are deviously created to promote politics. He was already taken to task for this, but hey... continue the lie!! continue the lie!!
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