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Originally Posted by WaldoKitty
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OP calls EPA chief liar for saying that 7000 Coal & Mining Jobs were Created.
He then only gives # of Coal Jobs. Doesn't Report the Mining Jobs.
Lies told, but not by EPA Chief.
It really comes down to definition of mining. Most do not include drilling and oil rig jobs as mining jobs. Pruitt has intentionally tried to make it appear coal mining jobs are up...that is a flat out attempt to fool people like you.
It really comes down to definition of mining. Most do not include drilling and oil rig jobs as mining jobs. Pruitt has intentionally tried to make it appear coal mining jobs are up...that is a flat out attempt to fool people like you.
How do you know what his "intentions" were?
He clearly states Coal AND Mining Jobs. Yet he is being called a liar based solely on Coal job component.
......Coal employs fewer workers compared to solar .......
The solar industry depends on government subsidies. The coal industry is not.
That sorta pisses off Greenies, but it is a fact. Solar power makes little sense and should not be subsidized at all, because it doesn't solve any problem.
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Now we are seeing this has been a blatant grab for taxpayer dollars and the subsidies were more about industry executives and shareholders getting rich than about reaching a green industry future.....
Personally, I am beginning to think that thirty years of promises may have been hollow. How long are taxpayers supposed to put up with promises of “just a little bit longer” when asking how long the subsidies must continue?...
He clearly states Coal AND Mining Jobs. Yet he is being called a liar based solely on Coal job component.
Pruitt knowingly made a deceptive comment about increases in mining jobs, and especially coal mining jobs, when the increases in the "mining" jobs largely was attributable to oil and gas extraction activity, including supporting jobs.
<<Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt, appearing on This Week With George Stephanopoulos, casually asserted that the Trump administration has presided over a staggering increase in coal-industry employment. “We’ve had over 50,000 jobs since last quarter — coal jobs, mining jobs — created in this country. We had almost 7,000 mining and coal jobs created in the month of May alone,” boasted Pruitt.
How false are these statistics? Extremely false.
Last month, the coal industry added 400 jobs, not 7,000. Since October, it has added just 1,700 jobs. The industry as a whole now employs 51,000 people — total. (No, there were not merely 1,000 people working in coal before the election.)>>
It appears that most of the jobs created in the mining category were due to oil and gas extraction as a result of higher oil prices resulting from the OPEC production limit agreement. This production limit had nothing to do with Trump policies.
It really comes down to definition of mining. Most do not include drilling and oil rig jobs as mining jobs. Pruitt has intentionally tried to make it appear coal mining jobs are up...that is a flat out attempt to fool people like you.
From the Bureau of Labor Statistics website:
The Mining sector comprises establishments that extract naturally occurring mineral solids, such as coal and ores; liquid minerals, such as crude petroleum; and gases, such as natural gas. The term mining is used in the broad sense to include quarrying, well operations, beneficiating (e.g., crushing, screening, washing, and flotation), and other preparation customarily performed at the mine site, or as a part of mining activity. North American Industry Classification System
The solar industry depends on government subsidies. The coal industry is not.
That sorta pisses off Greenies, but it is a fact. Solar power makes little sense and should not be subsidized at all, because it doesn't solve any problem.
How much coal have you been smoking to think they get no subsidies?!
A 2016 study estimated that global fossil fuel subsidies were $5.3 trillion in 2015, which represents 6.5% of global GDP. The study found that "China was the biggest subsidizer in 2013 ($1.8 trillion), followed by the United States ($0.6 trillion)
Rather different having the EPA administrator bragging about Coal mining job creation, and here I thought he was supposed to be interested in air quality. Does he know that Rick Perry is head of DOE, not him.
Just so it's clear they are not being written a check. The bulk of "subsidies" the coal industry receives are tax breaks on pollution controls. The renewable energy subsidies are used for production to make them competitive with coal and natural gas.
That said when you compare fossil fuel subsidies to renewable energy subsidies on a per unit of production basis it becomes laughable. If all your electric came from coal and you removed the federal subsidy on coal you might end up paying another 20 cents per month, the same scenario with wind or solar and it goes up $25.
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600 billion bucks or so. Any other "fun facts" you'd like to share?
That's about 2 0's too many and that's only if you were to lump oil and coal together.
Last edited by thecoalman; 06-05-2017 at 05:36 PM..
At least you were only wrong by about 600 billion bucks or so. Any other "fun facts" you'd like to share?
Just to add I've seen some studies before where they have come up with some outrageous numbers before but that must be some kind of joke. Just to put this into perspective that would be about 4 or 5 times the combined revenue of the entire coal industry and Exxon combined.
Pruitt knowingly made a deceptive comment about increases in mining jobs, and especially coal mining jobs, when the increases in the "mining" jobs largely was attributable to oil and gas extraction activity, including supporting jobs.
So in other words, you agree what he said was correct.
But you contend that he was up to no good when he said it.
We see how it is.
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