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Old 06-14-2017, 10:11 PM
 
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I am tired of hearing people say freedom of speech and democracy have been the main factors for America's economic ascendancy, when in fact sparking wars and deceiving people around the globe have driven USA to where it is today. Remember 2004, Iraq ? When they said there were weapons of mass destruction and there were none, they were just going after the oil. This scenario has repeated over and over again.This was brought up by Mr. President Donald Trump in a republican debate, the only person brave enough to get on a stage and say such thing before a huge crowd. God bless President Trump ! God bless the new USA under President Trump.

Please input your insights on this matter respectfully.
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Old 06-14-2017, 10:20 PM
 
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Indoor plumbing.

Greatest achievement in my life time.

Single best example to improve productivity.
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Old 06-14-2017, 10:21 PM
 
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I have to say, this post ended in a way I was not expecting.

And no, you're wrong.

America became economically competitive primarily after the first WWI, a war that started and had literally nothing to do with the United States, so no deception there. And it really boomed during and after WWII, where we did kind of take advantage of the war, but let's face it, it's foolish to not waste that opportunity, as morally gray as that seems. But we did not start that war.

The US really stated to blur the ethical line in the world stage during the Cold War. The Soviet Union was an imminent threat and the US was the best option to oppose it. Yes, this eroded American democracy. The office of the presidency, for example, has been consuming more and more power ever since. Each president seems to take more than the last. The Cold War allowed that; as with nearly every situation in the past, I don't blame the people for making the decision they did that led us here but that doesn't mean I approve of the outcome.

So, to be clear, Iraq had literally nothing to do with it.
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Old 06-14-2017, 10:22 PM
 
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2 massive oceans on either side of us.
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Old 06-14-2017, 10:27 PM
 
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I have to say, this post ended in a way I was not expecting.

And no, you're wrong.

America became economically competitive primarily after the first WWI, a war that started and had literally nothing to do with the United States, so no deception there. And it really boomed during and after WWII, where we did kind of take advantage of the war, but let's face it, it's foolish to not waste that opportunity, as morally gray as that seems. But we did not start that war.

The US really stated to blur the ethical line in the world stage during the Cold War. The Soviet Union was an imminent threat and the US was the best option to oppose it. Yes, this eroded American democracy. The office of the presidency, for example, has been consuming more and more power ever since. Each president seems to take more than the last. The Cold War allowed that; as with nearly every situation in the past, I don't blame the people for making the decision they did that led us here but that doesn't mean I approve of the outcome.

So, to be clear, Iraq had literally nothing to do with it.
I agree with all of this. Iraq came after America was really already past its peak. I would say the late '80s/early '90s were probably the peak of American power and prestige.

America did decently in its earlier history, but it wasn't until the 20th century that the country began evolving into a superpower.
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Old 06-14-2017, 10:28 PM
 
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2 massive oceans on either side of us.
This as well. The US emerged from both world wars unscathed while Europe was decimated. That gave the US a lot of opportunity for influence around the world in exchange for helping countries recover from the war.
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Old 06-14-2017, 10:30 PM
 
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The strength of America is the ascendancy of man above government (the state) which allows people to conduct their affairs as they wish and to reap the benefits of their creativity.
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Old 06-14-2017, 10:36 PM
 
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I agree with all of this. Iraq came after America was really already past its peak. I would say the late '80s/early '90s were probably the peak of American power and prestige.

America did decently in its earlier history, but it wasn't until the 20th century that the country began evolving into a superpower.
That's right.

That's when indoor plumbing really took off.

Imagine !!!

Look at the cities today. They could not exist with so many people pack so tight together without indoor plumbing.
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Old 06-14-2017, 10:36 PM
 
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This as well. The US emerged from both world wars unscathed while Europe was decimated. That gave the US a lot of opportunity for influence around the world in exchange for helping countries recover from the war.
The entire continent of Africa was unscathed by WW II....shouldn't they have emerged even higher than the USA to influence the world and help the countries recover from the war?
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Old 06-14-2017, 10:36 PM
 
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Originally Posted by skepticratic View Post
I have to say, this post ended in a way I was not expecting.

And no, you're wrong.

America became economically competitive primarily after the first WWI, a war that started and had literally nothing to do with the United States, so no deception there. And it really boomed during and after WWII, where we did kind of take advantage of the war, but let's face it, it's foolish to not waste that opportunity, as morally gray as that seems. But we did not start that war.

The US really stated to blur the ethical line in the world stage during the Cold War. The Soviet Union was an imminent threat and the US was the best option to oppose it. Yes, this eroded American democracy. The office of the presidency, for example, has been consuming more and more power ever since. Each president seems to take more than the last. The Cold War allowed that; as with nearly every situation in the past, I don't blame the people for making the decision they did that led us here but that doesn't mean I approve of the outcome.

So, to be clear, Iraq had literally nothing to do with it.
Interesting comment. Why was the Soviet Union a threat to America ? As fas as I know they had no intentions of dominating the world, unlike Hitlers and his minions.

why is USA involved in wars in the middle east ? why do they posses military bases in almost every continent and freak out when a Russian submarine gets spotted 2000 miles off US coasts ??????????

It seems to me that it is kind of a do what I say but not what I do type of thing.
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