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Old 06-22-2017, 06:05 PM
 
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The following states aren't in debt:
Ironically for the OP, California is not one of the states facing a revenue shortfall for fiscal year 2017. Conservative paradise Texas is running a budget deficit this year, as are most states in middle America that are already propped up by federal money.
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Old 06-22-2017, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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California has the 6th largest economy IN THE WORLD! I'm sure they will figure it out. Maybe they will secede from the union so they won't be dragged down by the Pubs.

Illinois was hurting but went further downhill after a guy who made millions scamming health care was elected governor. He's been doing the same strip mining of the state economy we have been seeing at the federal level for the past 7 years. Not a lot of hope there.
Rauner has only been Governor since 2015. He's not the problem.
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Old 06-22-2017, 06:09 PM
 
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As I understand it, there is no legal provision for states to declare bankruptcy. So at some point, these states will have to do one or more of these things;

Cut expenses

Increase taxes

Stop paying creditors

Reduce employee pensions

Or, they can get Congress to pass a law allowing states to declare bankruptcy just like municipalities have done under Chapter 9.

In any event, millions of people will get screwed due to years of inept leadership in these states just like in Puerto Rico.
Or they can do what red states do more than anyone else and beg for fed aid.
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Old 06-22-2017, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Ironically for the OP, California is not one of the states facing a revenue shortfall for fiscal year 2017. Conservative paradise Texas is running a budget deficit this year, as are most states in middle America that are already propped up by federal money.
Thank you. Liberal Jerry Brown with a majority Democratic legislature turned the debt situation completely around in California. It just doesn't fit the narrative of right-wingers so they continue to lie about the situation, hoping the state fails as badly as Kansas to score political talking points.
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Old 06-22-2017, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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If California goes bankrupt, this entire nation is in trouble. You shouldn't be hoping for this simply because you don't like Democrats.

California is already structurally bankrupt...
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Old 06-22-2017, 06:23 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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As I understand it, there is no legal provision for states to declare bankruptcy. So at some point, these states will have to do one or more of these things;

Cut expenses

Increase taxes

Stop paying creditors

Reduce employee pensions

Or, they can get Congress to pass a law allowing states to declare bankruptcy just like municipalities have done under Chapter 9.

In any event, millions of people will get screwed due to years of inept leadership in these states just like in Puerto Rico.
States go belly up from things like high debt, no job growth, and high unemployment. And the liberal states of California and Illinois outperform conservative states like Texas, South Carolina, and Oklahoma in those areas.


California state and local debt to GDP- 14.41%
Illinois state and local debt to GDP- 17.37%

Texas state and local debt to GDP- 22.46%
South Carolina state and local debt- 20.12%

State Debt Ranking Percent GDP for 2017 - Charts



California job growth May 2017- (+00.2%)
Illinois job growth May 2017- (-0.22%)

Texas job growth May 2017- (-00.2%)
Oklahoma job growth May 2017- (-0.31%)

Job Growth by State | Department of Numbers



Unemployment Rate Statistics-

California- 4.7%
Illinois- 4.6%

Texas- 4.8%

https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm



And California and Illinois have the ability to cut spending and still have their citizens living better lives than citizens in most conservative states.

Standard of living figures show a states level of education, jobs, income, safety, health, environment, civic engagement, and accessibility of services and housing.

Standard of Living numbers-

California- 58.0
Illinois- 58.3

Texas- 56.4
South Carolina- 53.8
Oklahoma- 53.7

Standard of Living By State


In bad economic times California and Illinois could make spending cuts to education, jobs, income, safety, health, environment, civic engagement, and accessibility of services and housing. And after those cuts those liberal states citizens would still have a higher standard of living compared to citizens in most conservative states.

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Old 06-22-2017, 06:28 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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What will happen when Florida is sloshing under water? Talk about belly-up! Is there a reason you only chose the two states you did, OP?
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Old 06-22-2017, 06:29 PM
 
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The following states aren't in debt:
They all have some debt but blue states dominate the top of the list.
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Old 06-22-2017, 06:32 PM
 
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Sounds like total Chaos and Mayhem.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fVE8kSM43I
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Old 06-22-2017, 06:50 PM
 
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