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View Poll Results: What is the next most important endowed right, after the right to life?
Natural Liberty 2 7.69%
Personal Liberty 7 26.92%
Absolute Ownership 1 3.85%
Inherent Powers 1 3.85%
Privileges & Immunities 0 0%
Civil Liberty 1 3.85%
Political Liberty 1 3.85%
Human Rights 4 15.38%
Nonhuman Rights 0 0%
No such thing as an endowed right 9 34.62%
Voters: 26. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-26-2017, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS
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● If government can arbitrarily order you to train, fight, and die, and punish you for failure to comply, you do not have a right to life and liberty.
● If government can arrest, condemn, or confiscate your property, and not justly compensate you, you do not have private property.
● If government can demand a share of your labor and property, you cannot absolutely own anything.
● If government can require you to get permission (license), and punish you for disobedience, you do not have the right nor liberty to do whatever is licensed.
● If government can impose citizenship and its attendant mandatory civic duties at birth, then you were born a subject of the State and not a potential sovereign.
● If government can impose the obligation to work for the benefit of another or surrender property for the benefit of another, you are a socialist slave.
AND YET, pursuant to the Declaration of Independence, the republican form of government, and a host of legal authorities, governments in the united States of America are instituted to secure endowed rights to life, liberty, absolute ownership of private property, inherent powers, and so forth. Such endowments explicitly negate any legal authority for the government to do anything more without consent of the governed.

So who has those rights, if they’re non-existent in citizens and socialists?
How can government secure those rights if “everyone” is a citizen without those endowed rights?
And if those endowments never existed in American law, why bother to define them?

It only takes a wee bit of common sense to notice that "Men endowed with the right to life" is not synonymous with "Men obligated to train, fight, and die, on command" (militia duty).

Obviously, there is a vast difference between the two.
Why no one dared to ask government for an explanation is beyond me.

Perhaps it is that Americans are victims of the world's greatest propaganda ministry.

But if one reads the Declaration of Independence, and the constitutions of all the states that guarantee a republican form of government to their people, it is clear that Americans have Creator endowed rights that government was instituted to secure (not tax, infringe nor trespass). But by their consent to be governed, they surrender that endowment in exchange for political privileges, which come with mandatory civic duties that abrogate the rights to life, liberty and absolute ownership.

In short, if you consent, shut up, sit down, pay and obey.

So how does one withdraw consent?
That's something to ask your public servant.

Last edited by jetgraphics; 06-26-2017 at 11:27 PM..

 
Old 06-26-2017, 11:20 PM
 
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Some of the dumbest people on Earth, at least 40% of the country anyway.
 
Old 06-26-2017, 11:22 PM
 
Location: NC
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Some of the dumbest people on Earth, at least 40% of the country anyway.
very true, Id say 49% of the country.
 
Old 06-27-2017, 12:00 AM
 
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Americans are not dumber than any other nation.

But our trade union movement is destroyed after 40 years of relentless attacks by the top 1% and the mainstream media is owned by a handful of oligarchs. These two factors make it far, far, far more difficult for the people to organize credible opposition to the ruling class and improve the situation for the 99% than in other countries where unions are strong and the media is not mere extensions of the oligarchy propaganda arm. If you go back 50 years, you'll see that Americans had public institutions that were far more responsive to the needs of the people, unions were strong and trust in government much higher. Inequality was much lower, the ruling class did not own it all and the media were far more democratically inclined than the oligarchic media system we have today.
 
Old 06-27-2017, 12:00 AM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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I dunno jet, but its late so instead of sifting through all your convoluted secret language, why don't you just tell me the answer and I can go to bed.

But here's something, since man are endowed by rights from their creator, and since God created all men(and women) then don't we have to recognize these rights in every human, not just American citizens?
 
Old 06-27-2017, 01:06 AM
 
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In general, very stupid.

Amongst first world nation citizens? The stupidest by far.
 
Old 06-27-2017, 01:42 AM
 
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So stupid that we...

-Have the second most successful republic in history, with a chance to be #1.
-Have the most enduring constitution in history.
- The internal combustion engine was invented here.
- Flight was invented here.
- We sent men to the moon.
- We split the atom.
- We continue to have the largest economy in the world, despite the fact that it was predicted that China would overtake us over a decade ago.
- Bailed Europe out of two world wars.
- Rebuilt Japan and Germany in our image after conquering them.

etc. etc.

Americans **** all over you and anyone else you doubts them. Believe me.
 
Old 06-27-2017, 01:47 AM
 
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So stupid that we...

-Have the second most successful republic in history, with a chance to be #1.
-Have the most enduring constitution in history.
- The internal combustion engine was invented here.
- Flight was invented here.
- We sent men to the moon.
- We split the atom.
- We continue to have the largest economy in the world, despite the fact that it was predicted that China would overtake us over a decade ago.
- Bailed Europe out of two world wars.
- Rebuilt Japan and Germany in our image after conquering them.

etc. etc.

Americans **** all over you and anyone else you doubts them. Believe me.
Umm, according to 45, not so great...
 
Old 06-27-2017, 02:02 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Americans are not dumber than any other nation.
Actually, we are. And getting dumber. The coming US population's incompetency crisis is real. And people who know the facts are quite alarmed, but unfortunately they're in the extreme minority.

The startling truth... "U.S. millennials post 'abysmal' scores in tech, math, thinking ability, and workplace skills test, lag behind foreign peers":

Quote:
"This exam [OECD's PIAAC], given in 23 countries, assessed the thinking abilities and workplace skills of adults. It focused on literacy, math and technological problem-solving. The goal was to figure out how prepared people are to work in a complex, modern society. And U.S. millennials performed horribly...

But surely America’s brightest were on top?

Nope.

U.S. millennials with master’s degrees and doctorates did better than their peers in only three countries, Ireland, Poland and Spain...The ETS study noted that a decade ago the skill level of American adults was judged mediocre. “Now it is below even that.” So Millennials are falling even further behind.

Top-scoring US millennials – the 90th percentile on the PIAAC test – were at the bottom internationally, ranking higher only than their peers in Spain. The bottom scorers (10th percentile) also lagged behind their peers."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...foreign-peers/

Info on how and why this precipitous decline happened, if anyone wishes. It began 50 years ago, and it was intentional:

Why and How US Public Education Was Deliberately Dumbed-Down - Source: The Atlantic

How do we reverse what has been the deliberate dumbing-down of America for at least 5 decades?
 
Old 06-27-2017, 02:14 AM
 
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I voted "civil liberty", but I'm questioning and reexamining the writings of John Locke.
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