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When it comes to objections on religious grounds I can understand a pastor refusing to marry them. But a business like caterer, photographer or baker, no.
Many pastors do not work with the public and wont even marry those not in their congregation.
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Originally Posted by irspow
I suppose that "working with the public" means relinquishing your freedoms and being forced to "work for the public". Gotta' love the land of the free. I guess "private businesses" are ACTUALLY government businesses to be run as the government sees fit. Business "owners" are actually government employees. Gotta' love the land of the free.
Hyperbole and a gross exageration. Discrimination is not protected activity. Opening a store front to the public is working with the public. In public you get to deal with public rules.
Businesses can legally refuse to do business with customers as long as they don't violate anti discrimination laws. This means they cannot kick you out because of your race, religion, disability and other reasons that are written in law.
They can refuse to service you because you're cussing at them, or because you aren't complying with their rules such as "no shirt, no shoes, no service" or various other reasons.
I bet this has been explained over a hundred times on this very forum.
If you do business in the U.S., you have to abide by certain laws, fire codes, health dept. regulations, labor laws, anti-discrimination laws...
If you prefer to do business in more of a Wild West atmosphere, you could open a business trucking supplies to NGOs in South Sudan. I understand the government there imposes few restrictions.
How do bars get by with posting a sign..........."We have the right to refuse service to anyone "
Restaurants and bars impose arbitrary dress codes on patrons as a condition of service, as well, without even having to resort to their First Amendment Right to the exercise of the owner's religion for doing so.
Examples:
Restaurants that require men to wear a suit jacket and tie.
Bars that prohibit MC members from wearing their "cuts" or "colors" in the bar.
Hyperbole and a gross exageration. Discrimination is not protected activity. Opening a store front to the public is working with the public. In public you get to deal with public rules.
The government cannot and should not discriminate as it supposedly represents all people. A private business however is a private venture representing the interests of the owner. People can choose whom they do business with, but the government has guns and thugs, so the hapless subjects/citizens have no choice on their government. This is a key distinction between the two. Government is an institution of aggression, business is an institution of exchange.
Discrimination is not a "protected activity"? It is not a natural right to associate with those whom you wish and to avoid those whom you do not? So people should be forced to associate with others against their will? Must be nice to have your existence dictated by a government gun instead of your free will...
LOL....A business/person should not be forced to do business with anyone they choose not to. Otherwise the person does not own the business or themselves, they are mere slaves/employees of the government thugs who tell them who they have to interact with.
Private property/business in the country is a fallacy. You have exclusive usage "privileges", as long as you subjugate yourself to the State. The minute that you do not behave like a good little slave, the iron fist of the government will take away your privileges. (Which the droolers believe are their rights, but they are "citizens" not "people". People have inalienable rights, citizens/subjects have privileges that can be taken away by the whim of their Masters.)
Having nothing to do with this subject, I am surprised how few people do not realize they are not free in the true meaning of the word.
For example, you can own the land and your house outright, yet run afoul of the local city ordinances and you will find out how quickly you are not. They can coerce you into doing whatever they demand. Fail to comply, and they will hit you with punitive liens to eventually take your home away.
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As to this homosexual cake issue, it is just an effort to have activists push their liberal social agenda against anyone who thinks differently than they do. These people could obviously have gone to another business to have a cake made. Instead they chose to try and force these people to go against their religion/beliefs. For all we know, they may have refused to make a satanic themed cake, or even refused to make a cake for two unmarried hetero people who want a cake to celebrate their living together.
Businesses can legally refuse to do business with customers as long as they don't violate anti discrimination laws. This means they cannot kick you out because of your race, religion, disability and other reasons that are written in law.
There is no federal law prohibiting discrimination against LGBT. As such, none of those are "suspect classes" eligible for federal judicial review. Therefore, the First Amendment's Right to exercise one's religion trumps any state law or policy infringing on that First Amendment Right.
That said, the business will lose LGBT and possibly some LGBT business as a result of such. That's a choice they'll have to make based on their religious beliefs, etc.
Businesses have to abide by the laws in place in the locality that they operate.
Not when doing so violates the business owner's Constitutional Rights.
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