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Old 07-05-2017, 08:15 AM
 
Location: SA
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We're not paying for any of this; we would be paying for it with Muslim refugees.
How much do you think a 1.5M in donations will last in this case? Between the transfer, international highly specialized flight and the American costs for ICU and treatment, I give it less than 6 months. The baby won't probably die while he is hooked to the machines so there's a high possibility that once in US soil they will run out of money and the public will end up paying. So if it's ok in this case that's it's a matter of when, not if, the baby dies, why not give treatment to other kids which can come in regular commercial planes and which treatments are much cheaper?

The baby is not going to improve, he's brain dead, further treatment is against compassionate care. If he was an adult it would have been a non issue. I am starting to think the parents are suffering a type of the munchause syndrome, I just show the new pictures they released yesterday and today and they are smiling all the time. I checked previous ones and the same, it is just a strange way of posing with your dying baby. I am starting to get the weird feeling that they are enjoying the attention. I find it disturbing.
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Old 07-05-2017, 08:16 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Originally Posted by TigerLily24 View Post
If Obama had made it, I would be criticizing him for interfering the same way I am criticizing 45.

The president is not, as many have asserted of other posters, a doctor.
He has no standing to over-ride the views of the medical experts already consulted.

It is grandstanding, plain and simple and it is beyond disgusting to give these parents false hope.
Absolutely correct. The parents were given some extra time to come to terms with the inevitable death of their child and now Trump has inserted himself into the situation without knowing one thing about his condition.
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Old 07-05-2017, 08:17 AM
 
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Originally Posted by nam2015 View Post
How much do you think a 1.5M in donations will last in this case? Between the transfer, international highly specialized flight and the American costs for ICU and treatment, I give it less than 6 months. The baby won't probably die while he is hooked to the machines so there's a high possibility that once in US soil they will run out of money and the public will end up paying. So if it's ok in this case that's it's a matter of when, not if, the baby dies, why not give treatment to other kids which can come in regular commercial planes and which treatments are much cheaper?

The baby is not going to improve, he's brain dead, further treatment is against compassionate care. If he was an adult it would have been a non issue. I am starting to think the parents are suffering a type of the munchause syndrome, I just show the new pictures they released yesterday and today and they are smiling all the time. I checked previous ones and the same, it is just a strange way of posing with your dying baby. I am starting to get the weird feeling that they are enjoying the attention. I find it disturbing.
All this verbiage to make sure an English kid dies and Trump doesn't get his way.

Amusing!
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Old 07-05-2017, 08:20 AM
 
Location: NYC
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How much do you think a 1.5M in donations will last in this case? Between the transfer, international highly specialized flight and the American costs for ICU and treatment, I give it less than 6 months. The baby won't probably die while he is hooked to the machines so there's a high possibility that once in US soil they will run out of money and the public will end up paying. So if it's ok in this case that's it's a matter of when, not if, the baby dies, why not give treatment to other kids which can come in regular commercial planes and which treatments are much cheaper?

The baby is not going to improve, he's brain dead, further treatment is against compassionate care. If he was an adult it would have been a non issue. I am starting to think the parents are suffering a type of the Munchhausen syndrome, I just show the new pictures they released yesterday and today and they are smiling all the time. I checked previous ones and the same, it is just a strange way of posing with your dying baby. I am starting to get the weird feeling that they are enjoying the attention. I find it disturbing.
Exactly, I couldn't have said it better.
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Old 07-05-2017, 08:22 AM
 
Location: SA
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Originally Posted by dechatelet View Post
All this verbiage to make sure an English kid dies and Trump doesn't get his way.

Amusing!
I don't care a iota about Trump in this case, he is just a seeking attention fool. I was just explaining that we cannot help everyone as you said, and specially on cases where the resources will be wasted.

I care about a terminally ill baby who is suffering because the parents can let go and accept reality.
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Old 07-05-2017, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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The left has to be silent on this. Because it highlights the death panel aspect of government managed care.
What?

And insurance companies in the U.S. don't routinely deny treatment every. single. day?

What is with the need some have to compel people to suffer needlessly hooked up to machines and tubes for an indeterminate amount of time?
The same people who whine about people buying a can of soda with SNAP have no issue with millions and millions of dollars being spent on end of life care.
Seriously?


Anyone who actually cares about the sanctity of life cannot possibly believe that prolonging "life" just because it is possible to do so is the right thing to do.


To keep someone breathing when there is no hope for recovery is not "help."
It's sadistic and selfish and shows absolutely no concern for quality of life.
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Old 07-05-2017, 08:28 AM
 
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A president that actually cares.
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Please take notice ,not for Americans.
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Old 07-05-2017, 08:29 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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A president that actually cares.

President Trump offers to help terminally ill 10-month-old UK baby Charlie Gard

No offers of help from the "caring" left though. So much for the Clinton foundation.
Please, he's virtue-signaling. Where was he while the case raged in court?

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Old 07-05-2017, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Will Trump be personally paying for this boy's care?
This guy?

"In 2000, during a family dispute about the details of his father’s will, Trump, who was by then fabulously wealthy in his own right, cut off benefits from the family health plan that were paying for the medical care of his nephew’s seriously ill young son."


What Sort of Man Is Donald Trump? | The New Yorker

Sure he will.
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Old 07-05-2017, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Beautifully Spoken! I have to ask the posters here: What if that was your newborn baby? Would you want to make the decision for your baby or let someone else do it for you? Trump cares about this child and he is offering his support in whatever way that can be offered.
And what if it's a pre-born baby?
Should the parents have the same freedom to decide?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ealth-partners

https://www.forbes.com/sites/judysto.../#ce272265ad9d
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