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You may want to read the article you just posted under "origins":
"After Zarqawi's death in 2006, AQI created an umbrella organisation, Islamic State in Iraq (ISI). ISI was steadily weakened by the US troop surge and the creation of Sahwa (Awakening) councils by Sunni Arab tribesmen who rejected its brutality.
Baghdadi, a former US detainee, became leader in 2010 and began rebuilding ISI's capabilities. By 2013, it was once again carrying out dozens of attacks a month in Iraq.
It had also joined the rebellion against President Bashar al-Assad in Syria, setting up the al-Nusra Front.
In April 2013, Baghdadi announced the merger of his forces in Iraq and Syria and the creation of "Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant" (Isis)"
They were born in an Iraqi prison camp created by American Iraq invasion and war. And Obama is not their founder. That is an irresponsible idiotic and ignorant comment made and promoted by Trump.
“If there was no American prison in Iraq, there would be no IS now. Bucca was a factory. It made us all. It built our ideology,” the Guardian had quoted Abu Ahmed as saying.
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You may want to read the article you just posted under "origins":
"After Zarqawi's death in 2006, AQI created an umbrella organisation, Islamic State in Iraq (ISI). ISI was steadily weakened by the US troop surge and the creation of Sahwa (Awakening) councils by Sunni Arab tribesmen who rejected its brutality.
Baghdadi, a former US detainee, became leader in 2010 and began rebuilding ISI's capabilities. By 2013, it was once again carrying out dozens of attacks a month in Iraq.
It had also joined the rebellion against President Bashar al-Assad in Syria, setting up the al-Nusra Front.
In April 2013, Baghdadi announced the merger of his forces in Iraq and Syria and the creation of "Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant" (Isis)"
Same guys, what they called it is irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by Enigma777
It does not matter what they called themselves.
They were born in an Iraqi prison camp created by American Iraq invasion and war. And Obama is not their founder. That is an irresponsible idiotic and ignorant comment made and promoted by Trump.
“If there was no American prison in Iraq, there would be no IS now. Bucca was a factory. It made us all. It built our ideology,” the Guardian had quoted Abu Ahmed as saying.
What is the matter with you two, your panties get all twisted because I had simply stated that there was no group called ISIS until 2013. And there wasn't.
In the comment I'd made I didn't say diddly about their roots, or, about Obama being a "founder".
Every one knows that the roots stretch back to '79, during the Carter administration...geez!
Before the Arab Spring, ISI was floundering. After the Arab Spring began, Obama pulled out and also cut support to the new government. The Obama administration left the fledgling government in Iraq to their own devices, and because of that ISI became stronger and then ISIS was created. If Obama had continued to support the fledgling government in Iraq, then, ISI may have never grown stronger and ISIS may have never been formed.
Is Obama a "founder" of ISIS? No.
Is Obama 'a' reason why those groups became stronger and grew, after they had began to crumble? It appears so.
(Trump has nothing to do with my comments, since I've been saying this before he even rode down that escalator last year - so you can knock off the snide comment Enigma)
The Obama administration isn’t only giving the Taliban back its commanders — it’s giving them weapons.
Miliary records and sources reveal that on July 25, 2012, Taliban fighters in Kunar province successfully targeted a US Army CH-47 helicopter with a new generation Stinger missile.
They thought they had a surefire kill. But instead of bursting into flames, the Chinook just disappeared into the darkness as the American pilot recovered control of the aircraft and brought it to the ground in a hard landing.
The assault team jumped out the open doors and ran clear in case it exploded. Less than 30 seconds later, the Taliban gunner and his comrade erupted into flames as an American gunship overhead locked onto their position and opened fire.
The next day, an explosive ordnance disposal team arrived to pick through the wreckage and found unexploded pieces of a missile casing that could only belong to a Stinger missile.
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The Taliban took out a US Chinook helicopter in 2012 with a Stinger missile signed out by the CIA around the time of the attack.Reuters
Lodged in the right nacelle, they found one fragment that contained an entire serial number.
The investigation took time. Arms were twisted, noses put out of joint. But when the results came back, they were stunning: The Stinger tracked back to a lot that had been signed out by the CIA recently, not during the anti-Soviet jihad.
Benghazi was about our Ambassador trying to buy back missiles and other weapons which were embarrassing the CIA as the Taliban and Al-Qaeda was killing Americans with them. Obama and Clinton ordered the CIA to illegally give weapons to Libyan insurgents who were known terrorists. This violates U.S. law.
ISIS and radical islamic terrorism has been on the rise when Obama was president.
Radical terrorism was not "on the rise" under Obama - how quickly the right-wingers forget that the largest terrorist attack on our soil was under an idiot Republican president. ISIS - specifically - was on the rise, yes, but that's only because the extremists groups over there just happen to change names and geographic areas of importance every 5 to 10 years. Meanwhile, the Taliban and Al Qaeda were in sharp decline under Obama., Yes, the Arab Spring gave various terrorists groups a chance to find new locations to wreck, but that is hardly Obama's fault - unless we're going to go with the "kill everyone in the Middle East" strategy that right-wingers love.
Under Obama's administration, several radical terrorists groups were dealt vicious setbacks, and Bin Laden was killed. Trump, meanwhile, hasn't done a damn thing about terrorism except blame Obama - the new, right-wing strategy for the next 30 years - paint all Muslims as "terrorists," and cozy up to Putin. So, the far right shouldn't be pointing fingers about "not stamping out terrorism" when their worthless Chosen One can't even measure up to Obama, who was hardly the master of wiping out terrorists.
If you're expecting the cult to finally wake up to the outrageous and outright false statements their leader makes on a daily basis, you'll be waiting a long, long time.
I respect President Trump
Obama was instrumental in declaring the Islamic state
But it is not the reason for its establishment
For it is a fact 1400 years ago
Since the time of Islamic invasions
But the names change only
It is the same doctrine and the same teachings and the same ideology
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