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We won't have a single payer health care system in this country anytime soon because both parties are bought off by insurance companies.
This.
Although, if the majority of Americans want to have guaranteed health insurance, this is the only way it can be delivered imo along with the tax increases to pay for it.
The party that pushes it through and takes credit for it will be genius and it is inevitable imo, but both parties are too stupid to capitulate any time soon imo.
No need for science fiction spying and citizen vaporization.
Vaporization? Who said anything about that?
I'm talking about coercion and control. And the surveillance and data aggregation technologies of the next decades will likely resemble various speculative fiction. But I'm glad to hear your reassurance that single payer would never lead to the benevolent state abridging liberty. Phew.
I'm talking about coercion and control. And the surveillance and data aggregation technologies of the next decades will likely resemble various speculative fiction. But I'm glad to hear your reassurance that single payer would never lead to the benevolent state abridging liberty. Phew.
When we the people understand our money and its public utility, they will then know they can have the HC they need. The money is not the problem so much as providing for the necessary future medical productivity.
So, even the GOP majority cannot get their horrible bill to pass and rather than discussing what is actually going on right in front of their own eyes, Trump supporters make up fantasy scenarios, bolstered by such well thought out phrases as " Recall how they were going to cut Medicaid funding to states or something".
Newsflash: even your own party cannot get behind their own legislation, because it sucks!
Meanwhile you create scenarios in you mind
After 20+ million lose insurance coverage and even those with employer coverage get the shaft, the Trump will hit the fan, bigly! The sooner the GOP screws everybody, the sooner the backlash can begin.
I'm talking about coercion and control. And the surveillance and data aggregation technologies of the next decades will likely resemble various speculative fiction. But I'm glad to hear your reassurance that single payer would never lead to the benevolent state abridging liberty. Phew.
I'm certain you already view this as a "done deal" and it probably is. So, how exactly does witholding critical health care fit into your scenario? Dying broke in a unibomber shack wrapped in tin foil is a better alternative? "Liberty" is a joke when you lose your job at age 50, cannot afford health care premiums and contract some condition that wipes out everything you ever worked for.
If we are already on this road, why not go down it WITH access to health care?
Coercion comes in many forms. I wouldn't be putting up with many aspects of my employment, if I wasn't being "coerced" by keeping my insurance and paying my bills. I live on less than 50% of my income so that I can escape the "coercion" ASAP.
If they had a government shutdown, they could decide to cut our healthcare to "make Americans feel uncomfortable" (Used from what Obama told his guys to do when they had the shutdown in 2013). It would end up being a bargaining chip to force the Republicans to fund other stuff. "If you don't fund our latest transgender/toxic-masculinity fighting, etc, project, then we'll kill the funding for healthcare for loads of Americans!" I can see it now.
BTW, that isn't such a farfetched fear. Recall how they were going to cut Medicaid funding to states or something if they dared defund Planned Butcherhood?
If they had a government shutdown, they could decide to cut our healthcare to "make Americans feel uncomfortable" (Used from what Obama told his guys to do when they had the shutdown in 2013). It would end up being a bargaining chip to force the Republicans to fund other stuff. "If you don't fund our latest transgender/toxic-masculinity fighting, etc, project, then we'll kill the funding for healthcare for loads of Americans!" I can see it now.
BTW, that isn't such a farfetched fear. Recall how they were going to cut Medicaid funding to states or something if they dared defund Planned Butcherhood?
Clean your glasses...
The only one threatening to cut off health care is tRump.
Terrible model. Copays and deductibles are important gate keepers. Health care should not be free. It should be universally accessible and not bankrupting
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Buy insurance across state lines to price and option shop.
Nothing prevents it now except states will not harmonize their HC laws.
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Dying broke in a unibomber shack wrapped in tin foil is a better alternative? "Liberty" is a joke when you lose your job at age 50, cannot afford health care premiums and contract some condition that wipes out everything you ever worked for..
I know someone who capped his work policy. Worth ~$500K before his wife had a stroke of some kind and he had some gut thing. he is worth a negative number today. Near quote "What the hell am I supposed to do with a 700K hospital bill?"
Many people equate single payer and universal tax supported coverage. They are not the same. In fact, most countries with universal coverage do not have single payer. I don't like single payer, myself, though I do support tax funded universal access. We would be better served with multiple "payers" and choices.
Many people equate single payer and universal tax supported coverage. They are not the same. In fact, most countries with universal coverage do not have single payer. I don't like single payer, myself, though I do support tax funded universal access. We would be better served with multiple "payers" and choices.
I agree. As a doc and as a patient. Choices on both sides. Most docs don't want the big stick of single payer in back of their head. Wages will be forced down as overbearing control gets progressively worse. Many docs want to choose the type of practice, patients and plans to attend to. Some go cash only. Or Concierge.
I think a public option + let the privates do as they may - is the way to go.
The public option could be a meld of Medicaid/Medicare. Means related/tested premiums, copays and deductibles. Takes all comers. Pre-existing, poor, disabled and the elderly.
The privates are then left with huge numbers of lower risk people, and some rich. For most younger, generally healthy working people/families this would be a very sensible route. Free markets will work much more typically there.
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