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That's nonsense. Many people were and are forced to decide between taking a poorly paid job or starving. There is nothing voluntary about that. People like you begrudge poor people a decent life, because you can't understand that for various reasons not everyone is equally capable.
How are people forced to take a poorly paid job?
I was raised in a poor working class family. We had like $10/month household income. Please do not tell me that I don't understand the poor. I used to be poor myself.
Your claim was that those kinds of activities take place in Socialist Countries and now you name five communist countries, you do know that there is a difference between communism and socialism, right?
Of course I do. The difference is in the semantics. I am not here to argue with you on the text book or the philosophical difference.
There is often a correlation, yes. In my view the big problem with those countries was that the leadership was not able to explain its ideas to the people. Most people are pretty stupid and egoistic, let's face it. Basically like chimps that only think of their tiny circle of kinship. Socialist leaders never managed to explain why that default state of humanity is worth transcending.
All "the people" want is a roof over their heads, food to eat, water to drink, and safety, not an ideology explained by the leadership. Most people aren't stupid. If that was the case, they would perish as a society. In a socialist-communist society the chimps are the people, for all must work for the State, and there is nothing they can do against the power that rules them. While a socialist economy is supposed to be "free of a political class," which is one of the differences between communism and socialism, tell me of one socialist nation the is free of a political class?
The same may happen to the US, since the indoctrination has taken place in public schools for decades now. We are turning into a "nanny society" in which we are becoming the ones being babysat.
Of course I do. The difference is in the semantics. I am not here to argue with you on the text book or the philosophical difference. In practice, there's hardly any difference.
I see no reason to continue this discussion, have a good day.
All "the people" want is a roof over their heads, food to eat, water to drink, and safety, not an ideology explained by the leadership. Most people aren't stupid. If that was the case, they would perish as a society. In a socialist-communist society the chimps are the people, for all must work for the State, and there is nothing they can do against the power that rules them. While a socialist economy is supposed to be "free of a political class," which is one of the differences between communism and socialism, tell me of one socialist nation the is free of a political class?
The same may happen to the US, since the indoctrination has taken place in public schools for decades now. We are turning into a "nanny society" in which we are becoming the ones being babysat.
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Most people aren't stupid. If that was the case, they would perish as a society.
Take a closer look at the U.S., seriously.
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We are turning into a "nanny society" in which we are becoming the ones being babysat.
Yes, but with none of the perks.
When I was growing up my parents told me, you don't get a vote, this is not a democracy. As long as we pay for the roof over your head, your food, your clothes and your healthcare, you will do what we say, when we say it and if you are disruptive you will be punished. (I was starting to become a rebellious teen and they squashed me like a bug)
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We get to vote, but we don't get a roof over our head, we do not get our food provided to us, we do not get issued clothes to wear and we do not get healthcare. What we do get is, you will do what we say, when we say it and if you are disruptive you will be punished.
If you read the history of Cuba and Fidel speeches, you will realize that it is a socialist-communist regime. There may be a few differences from a totally socialist society and communist one, but are in fact interchangeable ideas.
Oh here we go again - Cuba, "Fidel and his speeches")))
Oh horror.
So let me ask you what was Cuba BEFORE the horrors of socialism?
Some thriving European country, that was magically destroyed by dem "Fidel and his speeches?"
Or was it your typical third world dump, serving the interests of American capitalism, and reimbursing few on the top for loyalty, promoting the "advantages of capitalism"?
How was the life of the REST of Cuban population under the capitalist system - was it similar to those of middle class Americans/Europeans, or was it life in the gutters?
So there you have your answer, that in the case of the third world countries "capitalism/socialism" is not what makes all the difference.
Or better else - let's look at thriving capitalist Sudan, or New Papua Guinea, or thriving capitalist society of Mali. Now how does that sound? Don't you want to firmly say "Never again" to capitalism in any shape and form?"
Did you read any history of USSR, China, NK, North Vietnam, Cuba etc.?
Socialism cannot be enforced without coercion.
It's brutal, bloody, and evil!
Damn right.
True socialism ( the way it was in the USSR) can't be enforced without coercion.
When you have too many dumb people who are screaming "me my, mine" are not willing to make reasonable adjustments, and are too ignorant on how it impacts them on a national level, where they end up as a nation/as a country because of that, someone HAS to step in and force upon them something, that benefits them in the long run AS A NATION, even though they are too dumb to initially understand it.
So with other word, there are nations that benefit from capitalism, and there are nations that DO NOT.
The leaders explained too well, and the people were too ignorant.
In my country, I was taught from young that the evil capitalists did nothing while taking in all the profits, and the workers did everything while getting exploited. The evil capitalists must be "eradicated", aka executed. They did stop executing people after a few years and a few millions were killed off. They confiscated all the properties from the capitalists and sent them to labor camps for re-education.
Today in US, I hear the same crap: evil corporation, greedy CEOs, the rich don't pay enough taxes, blah blah blah, all the battle cries of the communists/socialists.
Just a point of reference, I was raised in a working class, not from the capitalist class.
Say what? I'm really confused now. I thought you said you were Canadian? I'm without a doubt a good deal older than yourself and have never yet been privy to that kind of nonsense.
Going back a bit to an earlier post of yours where you suggest hating this socialism stuff while using taxation as an example to be avoided at all costs; I'm left wondering why you would choose either Canada and then later, the U.S. to emigrate to given they both have higher taxation to support a greater level of social safety nets.
The emotive way in which you're making your points equating simple taxation using words and phrases like "theft" and "shot in the back of the head" to equate to despotic regimes influenced more by their corrupt and dictatorial leaders than to any form of socialism, or even communism for that matter, I'm sure is causing more than one poster to consider using the "" emoti when responding to you.
As I've said...you're really confusing the heck out of this Canadian.
I am a decent Canadian, not a jealous Canadian who covets other people's money and is more than willing to kill for it.
Well you sure have a strange outlook to this decent Canadian because I've never met one such as you, nor have I met one of those you describe.
If as you say you emigrated firstly from whatever hell-hole you called home before to then enter Canada then moved on to the U.S., it would seem to me you're actually somewhat confused as to where you came from, why you came here and how much you should be showing nothing but relief and appreciation at having been one of the lucky ones, but instead here you are.......castigating with scornful and erroneous stuff like this nonsense above.
most poor people are happy being poor, leave them alone.
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