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You forgot the third choice. Stop blaming what happened 50 years ago and live in the present. You are trying to make this a black and white issue (no pun intended) but that isn't reality. Reality is that today, and the choices that you personally make, are what is important. You seem to get that in your personal life, but your argument here is circular and limiting.
History is important so that we can avoid the idiocy of our ancestors, but blaming history for your circumstances is idiocy. The wonderful thing about living here is that we can achieve greatness based on our actions, and we don't inherit the station of our forefathers.
The choice is binary.....hence, there cannot logically be a third choice. Either a problem is caused externally or internally. Blame is emotional....not logical. You can say stop blaming...but you are still blaming. Blame is simply an emotional term for causation. The PAST is to BLAME for the PRESENT. There is no way around it. You cannot get to the present without the past. The present is the creation of the past. Change one small thing that happened centuries ago....and YOU might not even exist today.
The choice is binary.....hence, there cannot logically be a third choice. Either a problem is caused externally or internally. Blame is emotional....not logical. You can say stop blaming...but you are still blaming. Blame is simply an emotional term for causation. The PAST is to BLAME for the PRESENT. There is no way around it. You cannot get to the present without the past. The present is the creation of the past. Change one small thing that happened centuries ago....and YOU might not even exist today.
This isn't a math problem or a computer program. The choice isn't binary, you merely want to see it that way and force others to play along.
You forgot the third choice. Stop blaming what happened 50 years ago and live in the present. You are trying to make this a black and white issue (no pun intended) but that isn't reality. Reality is that today, and the choices that you personally make, are what is important. You seem to get that in your personal life, but your argument here is circular and limiting.
History is important so that we can avoid the idiocy of our ancestors, but blaming history for your circumstances is idiocy. The wonderful thing about living here is that we can achieve greatness based on our actions, and we don't inherit the station of our forefathers.
This isn't a math problem or a computer program. The choice isn't binary, you merely want to see it that way and force others to play along.
No....you are attempting to look at things emotionally.....which therefore expands the possibilities of causation infinitely. When one looks at things using emotional energy, there reasoning is often illogical. Hence, a binary option, looked at emotionally, increases the possible states infinitely because emotions are not bound by reasoning and sense. Emotions are nonsensical.
You could care less about the black condition or racial inequality. Emotionally.....you just want white society exempted from blame. In order for that to happen....the blame has to be shifted to black people themselves.
No....you are attempting to look at things emotionally.....which therefore expands the possibilities of causation infinitely. When one looks at things using emotional energy, there reasoning is often illogical. Hence, a binary option, looked at emotionally, increases the possible states infinitely because emotions are not bound by reasoning and sense. Emotions are nonsensical.
You could care less about the black condition or racial inequality. Emotionally.....you just want white society exempted from blame. In order for that to happen....the blame has to be shifted to black people themselves.
You may be the first person to accuse me of being emotional. Ever. It isn't emotion to realize that holding "white america" to blame for something that only a very few who are alive today actually did is illogical. Do you hold Germans who weren't even born at the time responsible for Hitler? Do you hold Japanese who weren't born at the time responsible for Pearl Harbor? No, we held the actual Nazis responsible for their actions via the Nuremberg Trials and let it go. We held the Japanese at the time responsible by destroying a couple of cities and whipping their butts back to their island. Then we let it go. Hell, my father spent 6 years being shot at by the Vietnamese but he now has friends who were active members of the Viet Cong. Get over yourself.
Til next time residinghere. Actually, have someone hit me over the head with a hammer if I engage you again. Violence is right up your ally so no problem there.
Will note, again, it is interesting you did not answer my questions on bias and if it occurs based on the sociological concept of race and the biological fact of gender.
I answered your questions, like I always do when I see them, but you didn't answer mine. For me, that shows you have no basis for your own viewpoint other than regurgitating someone else's political point of view.
Ironically one of the only supremacist views I hold is that people who cannot think for themselves and communicate their own ideas based on the knowledge they have acquired throughout their lives are inferior to others who actually can think and communicate their ideas and opinions in a precise fashion. That view is a bias I hold. When I meet or encounter people that cannot speak well or who cannot write well or who cannot provide me with an original POV based on both source material and their life's experiences, I think less of them and this is regardless of their skin hue, facial features, gender, or political affiliation. Unthinking people are the worse kind of people especially those who just go along with the crowd.
You may be the first person to accuse me of being emotional. Ever. It isn't emotion to realize that holding "white america" to blame for something that only a very few who are alive today actually did is illogical. Do you hold Germans who weren't even born at the time responsible for Hitler? Do you hold Japanese who weren't born at the time responsible for Pearl Harbor? No, we held the actual Nazis responsible for their actions via the Nuremberg Trials and let it go. We held the Japanese at the time responsible by destroying a couple of cities and whipping their butts back to their island. Then we let it go. Hell, my father spent 6 years being shot at by the Vietnamese but he now has friends who factive members of the Viet Cong. Get over yourself.
Slavery was the bomb/explosion and racism is the radiation released from the explosion. No one who sanctioned dropping the bomb and no one hit by shrapnel is alive today to tell about it. However, there are millions of victims of continued radiation poisoning because the apparent half life of the radiation is exponential relative to the time of the blast.
That said:
1. Whether or not others have called you emotional has no correlation to whether you are emotional now.
2. Every effect has a cause. Every cause produced an effect. Hence, a cause no longer being in existence does not negate its effect. Ergo, a person does not cease to exist when their parents no longer exist.
3. I am talking cause and effect. You are talking blame and punishment.
4. You think I/we are looking for someone to punish and make pay. I/we are simply looking to explain the cause of socioeconomic racial inequality, without demands....not to make current whites pay or feel guilty, but rather, so that everyone knows and understands that it is not our nature that makes our condition inferior.
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And again, media articles that agree with you are not reputable sources and even if they cite a study they do not provide any actual information regarding that study. I have an advanced degree in a field related to statistics and took many statistics classes and know that when you see an article that summarizes a study, they do not provide much detail about that data or study. Researchers themselves are also looking for particular patterns and often will flip around numbers to make it seem like something is more dramatic than it is. Take autism for example - you commonly see in media that 1 of 68 children are diagnosed and/or living with autism. That looks like a large number and is alarming to people. If you actually do the math of 1 divided by 68 that is less than 1%.
First of all, 1 divided by 68 is not less than 1%. It is 1.47%. Anyone with an advanced degree related to statistics would know that 1 divided by any number greater than 100 is less than 1%.
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5 times more likely to commit suicide
32 times more likely to run away
20 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
14 times more likely to commit rape
9 times more likely to drop out of high school
10 times more likely to abuse chemical substances
9 times more likely to end up in a state-operated institution
20 times more likely to end up in prison.
These numbers will probably go over your head, because it is a low bar. After all, you refuse to comprehend that new government policies instituted in the 1980s and 1990s could possibly impact lower crime.
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The 1987 "Survey of Youth in Custody" found that 70% did not grow up with both parents. Another 1994 study of Wisconsin juveniles was even more stark: only 13% grew up with their married parents. Here's the conclusion of Cynthia Harper and Sara McLanahan, the doyenne of researchers about single parenthood: "[C]ontrolling for income and all other factors, youths in father-absent families (mother only, mother-stepfather, and relatives/other) still had significantly higher odds of incarceration than those from mother-father families."
This article ^ also points out why it is illogical to say that single parent kids aren't more likely to commit crimes due to dropping crime rates....from changes in culture and government policies....also people in poverty are more likely to commit violent crimes...how come such crimes dropped to 40 year lows at the same time poverty increased during the peak of the Great Recession...
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Children from single-parent families are more likely to have behavioral problems because they tend to lack economic security and adequate time with parents.
– Children in father-absent homes are almost four times more likely to be poor. In 2011, 12 percent of children in married-couple families were living in poverty, compared to 44 percent of children in mother-only families.
Source: U.S. Census Bureau, Children’s Living Arrangements and Characteristics: March 2011, Table C8. Washington D.C.: 2011.
– Children living in female headed families with no spouse present had a poverty rate of 47.6 percent, over 4 times the rate in married-couple families.
– The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services states, “Fatherless children are at a dramatically greater risk of drug and alcohol abuse.”
Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. National Center for Health Statistics. Survey on Child Health. Washington, DC, 1993.
– There is significantly more drug use among children who do not live with their mother and father.
Source: Hoffmann, John P. “The Community Context of Family Structure and Adolescent Drug Use.” Journal of Marriage and Family 64 (May 2002): 314-330.
– A study of 1,977 children age 3 and older living with a residential father or father figure found that children living with married biological parents had significantly fewer externalizing and internalizing behavioral problems than children living with at least one non-biological parent.
Source: Hofferth, S. L. (2006). Residential father family type and child well-being: investment versus selection. Demography, 43, 53-78.
– Children of single-parent homes are more than twice as likely to commit suicide.
Sources: The Lancet, Jan. 25, 2003 • Gunilla Ringbäck Weitoft, MD, Centre for Epidemiology, the National Board of Health and Welfare, Stockholm, Sweden • Irwin Sandler, PhD, professor of psychology and director of the Prevention Research Center, Arizona State University, Tempe • Douglas G. Jacobs, MD, associate clinical professor of psychiatry, Harvard Medical School; and founder and director, The National Depression Screening Program • Madelyn Gould, PhD, MPH, professor of child psychiatry and public health, College of Physicians and Surgeons, Columbia University; and research scientist, New York State Psychiatric Institute.
– Data from three waves of the Fragile Families Study (N= 2,111) was used to examine the prevalence and effects of mothers’ relationship changes between birth and age 3 on their children’s well being. Children born to single mothers show higher levels of aggressive behavior than children born to married mothers. Living in a single-mother household is equivalent to experiencing 5.25 partnership transitions.
Source: Osborne, C., & McLanahan, S. (2007). Partnership instability and child well-being. Journal of Marriage and Family, 69, 1065-1083.
– Children in grades 7-12 who have lived with at least one biological parent, youth that experienced divorce, separation, or nonunion birth reported lower grade point averages than those who have always lived with both biological parents.
– Children living with their married biological father tested at a significantly higher level than those living with a nonbiological father.
Source: Tillman, K. H. (2007). Family structure pathways and academic disadvantage among adolescents in stepfamilies. Journal of Marriage and Family.
– Father involvement in schools is associated with the higher likelihood of a student getting mostly A’s. This was true for fathers in biological parent families, for stepfathers, and for fathers heading single-parent families.
Source: Nord, Christine Winquist, and Jerry West. Fathers’ and Mothers’ Involvement in Their Children’s Schools by Family Type and Resident Status. (NCES 2001-032). Washington, D.C.: U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics, 2001.
– 71% of high school dropouts are fatherless; fatherless children have more trouble academically, scoring poorly on tests of reading, mathematics, and thinking skills; children from father-absent homes are more likely to be truant from school, more likely to be excluded from school, more likely to leave school at age 16, and less likely to attain academic and professional qualifications in adulthood.
– Adolescents living in intact families are less likely to engage in delinquency than their peers living in non-intact families. Compared to peers in intact families, adolescents in single-parent families and stepfamilies were more likely to engage in delinquency. This relationship appeared to be operating through differences in family processes—parental involvement, supervision, monitoring, and parentchild closeness—between intact and non-intact families.
Source: Stephen Demuth and Susan L. Brown, “Family Structure, Family Processes, and Adolescent Delinquency: The Significance of Parental Absence Versus Parental Gender,” Journal of Research in Crime and Delinquency 41, No. 1 (February 2004): 58-81. http://familyfacts.org/briefs/26/mar...ence-and-crime
– A study using data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health explored the relationship between family structure and risk of violent acts in neighborhoods. The results revealed that if the number of fathers is low in a neighborhood, then there is an increase in acts of teen violence. The statistical data showed that a 1% increase in the proportion of single-parent families in a neighborhood is associated with a 3% increase in an adolescent’s level of violence. In other words, adolescents who live in neighborhoods with lower proportions of single-parent families and who report higher levels of family integration commit less violence.
Source: Knoester, C., & Hayne, D.A. (2005). “Community context, social integration into family, and youth violence.” Journal of Marriage and Family 67, 767-780.
– Children age 10 to 17 living with two biological or adoptive parents were significantly less likely to experience sexual assault, child maltreatment, other types of major violence, and non-victimization type of adversity, and were less likely to witness violence in their families compared to peers living in single-parent families and stepfamilies.
Source: Heather A. Turner, “The Effect of Lifetime Victimization on the Mental Health of Children and Adolescents,” Social Science & Medicine, Vol. 62, No. 1, (January 2006), pp. 13-27.
-A study of 109 juvenile offenders indicated that family structure significantly predicts delinquency.
Source: Bush, Connee, Ronald L. Mullis, and Ann K. Mullis. “Differences in Empathy Between Offender and Nonoffender Youth.” Journal of Youth and Adolescence 29 (August 2000): 467-478.
– A study using a sample of 1409 rural southern adolescents (851 females and 558 males) aged 11 – 18 years, investigated the correlation between father absence and self-reported sexual activity. The results revealed that adolescents in father-absence homes were more likely to report being sexually active compared to adolescents living with their fathers.
– Being raised by a single mother raises the risk of teen pregnancy, marrying with less than a high school degree, and forming a marriage where both partners have less than a high school degree.
Source: Teachman, Jay D. “The Childhood Living Arrangements of Children and the Characteristics of Their Marriages.” Journal of Family Issues 25 (January 2004): 86-111.
At some point isn't it absurd for you to take a position, which is that parenting and time with parents doesn't matter?
Second of all you are a liar.
-Just like you kept repeatedly lying that they hadn't found specific genes correlated to intelligence, just like you lied about what articles and studies were saying in regards to IQ and genes, because you are anti-science when it suits your politics...You are now lying about my sources.
Or with God himself if you wish.
Because obviously not all people/nations are born "equal."
If they were, there wouldn't have been division into "First world countries" and "Third world countries."
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