Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Location: Big Island of Hawaii & HOT BuOYS Sailing Vessel
5,277 posts, read 2,799,443 times
Reputation: 1932
Quote:
Originally Posted by middle-aged mom
Again, how do you evacuate 6.5 million people? Where would they go? For how long? Then what?
There is no need to evacuate everyone.
However most at risk should have been gone days ago!
1. Firstly, if I was in charge. I would have gone on air and told all 72,000 who had homes damaged in last event to move everything of value up high and packup and be on high way within 4 hours.
Further they should take neighbors and full cars.
Traffic on all major highways outbound only. Traffic on small highways in bound okay only for emergency vehicles and supplies. No residents allowed back into city on a highway.
2. I would have requested everyone else to sit tight for six hours to allow the first flow out.
3. Second round is only those residents with one story homes that have seen street flooding.
4. Third round is residents with two story homes that have seen street flooding.
Absolutely control number of vehicles getting onto the on ramps.
There is no need to evacuate everyone.
However most at risk should have been gone days ago!
1. Firstly, if I was in charge. I would have gone on air and told all 72,000 who had homes damaged in last event to move everything of value up high and packup and be on high way within 4 hours.
Further they should take neighbors and full cars.
Traffic on all major highways outbound only. Traffic on small highways in bound okay only for emergency vehicles and supplies. No residents allowed back into city on a highway.
2. I would have requested everyone else to sit tight for six hours to allow the first flow out.
3. Second round is only those residents with one story homes that have seen street flooding.
4. Third round is residents with two story homes that have seen street flooding.
Absolutely control number of vehicles getting onto the on ramps.
Location: Big Island of Hawaii & HOT BuOYS Sailing Vessel
5,277 posts, read 2,799,443 times
Reputation: 1932
Quote:
Originally Posted by KathrynAragon
Katy is in bad shape - I have a good friend down there and her neighborhood has flooded but no water in her house yet - but she can't get out so she's just sitting there hoping the water doesn't come in.
Seriously she should think what to do if water rises a lot more.
Think how bad it would be if the local authorities had said to evacuate like everyone wants. There is nowhere to go and we would be sitting ducks on the highway. And people are criticizing them for it. Hindsight is 20/20, but you never know where the worst rain is going to hit so you can't even do targeted evacuations until its almost too late.
That would make sense IF the Evacuation was called AFTER all the rains came, AFTER all the roads were under water. BUT -- that wasn't the case. The advise to Evacuate areas was 2 days before Harvey hit 210.5 miles South of Houston.
You KNOW that, and so do those paying attention. It's not "hindsight 20/20 when the National Hurricane Center and NOAA were saying with certainty that Houston would get huge amounts of rain and even giving what turned out to be correct predictions of the amount of that rain.
It's fine to say "Houston Leadership chose to not believe all that" - it not fine to say "it's nothing but hindsight" because they were never warned. There is video tape of all those warning, there are 30 advisories by the NHC.
Watching the local news and they're about to release the water from two large reservoirs in west Houston, which will flow (relatively close to us, I was wrong, the bayou does back up to a neighborhood about 4 mins from us) into the Buffalo Bayou and cause it and downtown to flood more, before flowing into the Houston Ship Channel.
Location: Big Island of Hawaii & HOT BuOYS Sailing Vessel
5,277 posts, read 2,799,443 times
Reputation: 1932
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kibby
That would make sense IF the Evacuation was called AFTER all the rains came, AFTER all the roads were under water. BUT -- that wasn't the case. The advise to Evacuate areas was 2 days before Harvey hit 210.5 miles South of Houston.
You KNOW that, and so do those paying attention. It's not "hindsight 20/20 when the National Hurricane Center and NOAA were saying with certainty that Houston would get huge amounts of rain and even giving what turned out to be correct predictions of the amount of that rain.
It's fine to say "Houston Leadership chose to not believe all that" - it not fine to say "it's nothing but hindsight" because they were never warned. There is video tape of all those warning, there are 30 advisories by the NHC.
Yeah! What Kibby said.
As a sailor I track these things days or weeks in advance.
There is another hurricane brewing off the African coast.
I watch these on a website called Windy.com
There is also a massive typhoon now brewing near the Philippines.
Again, how do you evacuate 6.5 million people? Where would they go? For how long? Then what?
Houston doesn't have a population of 6.5 Million people. There are many Cities within the Houston Metro Area and each of those Cities have their own Government. The Mayor of Houston may think he rules over all of them, but that is simply not the case. The "where would they go" part is a bit more reasonable - the answer to that one is "they go where the Houston Metro Area has planned they would go". The Mayor of the small town of Port Aransas said his town does Evacuation drills and meetings 3 times a year, Corpus does the same. Port A has ONLY 2 routes out of town .... that certainly is not the case for the Houston Metro area - or even Houston itself.
Perhaps our Houston City residents can tell us how often the City of Houston has practiced or done meetings on Evacuations. The Houston Mayor himself admitted it wasn't a matter of "no place to go", it was a matter of the 2005 Evacuation during Rita ..... which was really done in a fit of Mass Hysteria in reaction to Katrina.
Mayor Turner and his Team made a decision - they didn't put up road block to force people to stay and be caught in this Flood. He made that decision against advise from FEMA, the Texas Governor, National Hurricane Center and ALL predictions. His Choice. Houston's Choice.
He's also been pretty much MIA since the rains began.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
