Are liberals so desperate that they shot at their own feet?

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Originally Posted by TKO

Again, pointing out a fact is not an insult. This is hilarious!

Making up your own facts to provide cover for an insult might get a laugh but it falls short of hilarious.

Naturally, that is just an opinion of an opinion with the facts to be determined.

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Originally Posted by survivingearth

So let's get back on track. So do you really buy the "tolerant" propaganda. Would you call yourself tolerant?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

The paradox states that if a society is tolerant without limit, their ability to be tolerant will eventually be seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Popper came to the seemingly paradoxical conclusion that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance.

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Originally Posted by survivingearth

So let's get back on track. So do you really buy the "tolerant" propaganda. Would you call yourself tolerant?

Once derailed it takes some time and effort to get back on track. It sounds easy but a mind that has been derailed requires a lot therapy. Then there is the physical injury of the shooting. We can be patient.
Its not unusual for someone who is severely injured to call out for their mommy and that's where we can be tolerant. If the patient is going to recover quickly and become tolerant its best to protect them from propaganda. Relocation outside the coastal bubble to a sane environment should be considered for those needing long term care.

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Originally Posted by ambient

Oh, wait a minute... You clearly have absolutely no idea what a "liberal" is if you think Timothy McVeigh, who hated the federal government, was one.

GM's post was sarcasm....

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Originally Posted by survivingearth

So they need to change their speech.... Don't preach "we are all warm and fuzzy" when you are as evil as the other.

Why should they change? Most people on either side are not violent; there are as few conservatives as liberals who want to use violence as their way of getting their point across.

But the militant conservatives have made a huge display over the past decade of presenting to us all that they choose physical violence over peaceful discussion. They display their willingness to hurt someone else up to this day.

And worse, they've actually hurt and killed innocent people. Not many, for sure, but it only takes a few to alarm everyone else.

It's not a matter of good and evil. It's all about self control. Are you evil? Am I?

Either we have a civil society, where we can disagree with each other peacefully, or we don't.

So far, there hasn't been a liberal who has shot, bombed, or run over a bunch of peaceful conservatives in the past 25 years, but we have all seen mass murder committed by a conservative who let his hatred get out of control.

None of us want to live in fear. And almost none of us wants to go to killing each other. But there comes a point when no one wants to willingly die for an abstract notion such as non-violence toward all others.

We all preach 'warm and fuzzy' to our kids, because few of us want our kids to grow up to be violent people, or be violent kids.
But at the same time, there is very little structure in our society that uses the same principles of getting along with each other, avoiding trouble with the law, and everything else that doesn't use physical punishment as the first resort to solving a social problem.

If we were a Buddhist nation, we would all have much more compassion than we do. But we aren't, so we are not a compassionate people. And that means all of us on all sides of politics. The best we do is try to keep a few restraints on our worst impulses most of the time.

Showing hostility first in a discussion, rather than allowing for the fact that different people can have different views and still respect each other, is becoming increasingly rare among conservatives.
Trump's election showed that in full measure, and his rallies show nothing at all has softened since. Anger breeds anger until both sides find a way to step away from it.

Liberals are not cowards and never have been. Conservatives are not bullies, and never have been. But the more hostility that grows and festers, the more someone will turn to bullying, and the more someone else will respond to bullying with violence.

Every schoolyard teaches that to our children.