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So let's just wait until they do have a reliable means of delivering high powered nuclear weapons, and they destroy Hawaii, Guam, Alaska, and the west coast of the US. Kick the can down the road, even though the dead end is right in front of us.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"
Sounds like the OP is angry that for once, there's a country that the United States simply can't bully around.
Why do we take it from the North Koreans? Because we have no choice and can't do a damn thing about it.
And that makes me happy as hell. Because if we had the alternative to go to war (and we don't no matter what Trump tells you), we'd do it in a minute and get tens of thousands of American soldiers killed just so some of you jingoistic bullies could stick your chests out.
Not this time. The era of pushing other nations around with threats of preemptive stupid wars is OVER! And good, patriotic Americans like myself couldn't be happier.
Anti-Trump ‘Resistance’ Groups Spreading North Korean Propaganda Two of the nation’s most active anti-Trump “resistance” organizations are taking decidedly pro-North Korea stances in the United States’ developing nuclear standoff with the communist country, whose leader, Kim Jong Un, has repeatedly threatened to launch a nuclear strike against America.
One group is Refuse Fascism, a well-funded “resistance” group created for the express purpose of opposing President Trump’s administration. Internal presentations from a Refuse Fascism conference last month said the group intends to make America’s leaders lose “international legitimacy” as a way of ultimately bringing down the Trump presidency.
The other group is Workers World Party, a Marxist organization that has played a leading role in anti-Trump demonstrations across the country.
Both groups have consistently echoed North Korean talking points that demonize America while excusing Un’s genocidal regime, and both groups have instructed their followers to distrust American media reporting that reflects negatively on North Korean leaders’ oppression of their own people.
OK... Let's allow Japan to develope her own nuclear deterrent force now... Fair is fair... Right??
And let's see how much both China and Russia like the ideal of Japan and/or more countries getting nuclear tipped missles. I can even do better, let's allow Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Germany, Poland, Ukraine, Thailand, Vietnam, etc... To develope their own nuclear missle force and let's see how safe the world would be after that.
IRAN is well on it's way to their Nuclear Weapons ..... all paid for by the good old USA with pallets of CASH delivered to them. Guess who they are meeting with today ..... North Korea, who is the supplier to IRAN of Nuclear Materials in exchange for the CASH that North Korea is desperate for.
North Korea's latest nuclear test of a hydrogen bomb has roiled Trump administration officials and led President Donald Trump to consider multiple options for war. However, it also has renewed fears among U.S. officials and foreign policy insiders about Pyongyang's long-standing relationship with Iran, which centers on providing the Islamic Republic with nuclear technology and know-how.
The head of North Korea's parliament arrived this weekend in Iran for a 10-day visit aimed at boosting ties between the two countries amid an international crackdown on Pyongyang's nuclear weapons program, a situation U.S. officials tell the Free Beacon is being closely monitored.
As North Korea makes progress in its nuclear pursuits, it is likely this information is being shared with senior Iranian officials who continue to maintain and build upon the country's weapons program, despite the nuclear agreement, which only limits a portion of Iran's nuclear enrichment and research abilities.
Iran and North Korea have long collaborated on their missile programs and nuclear technology, and the U.S. intelligence community continues to monitor ongoing efforts by the two countries to boost cooperation.
Kim Yong Nam, the head of North Korea's parliament, reportedly arrived in Iran on Thursday for a high-profile meeting with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani that is likely to center around Tehran's quest for technology and North Korea's need for hard currency and financial assets.
Iran has been flush with cash and other financial assets since the nuclear agreement lifted international sanctions and opened the Islamic Republic to new business ties.
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So let's just wait until they do have a reliable means of delivering high powered nuclear weapons, and they destroy Hawaii, Guam, Alaska, and the west coast of the US. Kick the can down the road, even though the dead end is right in front of us.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"
-Edmund Burke
Yes, let's. If we can't defend an attack from NK and subsequently obliterate them in short order we've been sadly misled about what all those $$$ we've thrown at the Pentagon for so many years has actually bought.
Chicken little... the sky isn't falling. The norks are not a threat.
It's their allies that are a threat. Oh sure they've got a nuke. They don't have a way to deliver it. They lack sophisticated guidance systems. Let alone a satellite...
It's not them we had to worry about in the 50s, nor today. It's their Chinese allies. Too bad we didn't have a carnival barking territory to go make threats with big bro America behind them...
That, or something like it was said years ago about NOKO. You think they haven't advanced their technology since then? How much longer do we need to wait to do something?
I think the U.S. is in a tough spot here. Nobody, no matter what people think, wants a war, especially one with nukes or H-bombs being flung around the planet. The thing is, if we let the little gnat in North Korea launch the first missile that kills thousands or million of people, is that really the better option?
North Korea HAS to know that if they start something there will be a retaliation. Period. They can't possibly think that lobbing bombs at other countries would have a good outcome for them. They would be totally annihilated, which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, and maybe the little twerp doesn't care as long as he gets to put the hurt on someone else first.
I do think the U.S. has been patient up to this point, and I don't know what the solution is. The U.S. is damned if we do, and damned if we don't, we will get criticized no matter what we do.
The problem is that the North Korean leader is a madman. He's like a terminator. He can't be reasoned
with, bargained with, and shows no mercy. It really does start to look like the guy is begging for war. Who knows, he may know that his days are numbered and just wants to take as many down with him. Only solution I see is an assassination attempt.
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That, or something like it was said years ago about NOKO. You think they haven't advanced their technology since then? How much longer do we need to wait to do something?
It seems that the world is content to let North Korea do whatever it wants
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For much of my adult life, it's gone like this: North Korea does something provocative toward developing nuclear weapons and threatens to kill us all; we make some stern condemnations and create some sanctions.
Sanctions clearly do nothing. We've been sanctioning the hell out of these people and their nuclear program is doing great.
It's just frustrating to watch the rest of the world - strongly armed nuclear power - talk tough and sit around doing nothing but allow North Korea to advance their missile technology and become exponentially more dangerous.
Guess I just wonder...why does it have to be this way? Why does this impoverished group of thugs get to outsmart us and boss us around? Are we really that dumb to not have seen how all this would play out? Why don't we just cave and give them everything they want? Seems that's the path the world has chosen.
And yes, I do blame Obama for his share of doing nothing about this.
It's gone this way for decades because the only alternative to what's been done is nuclear war. And that's in no one's interest.
China (and Russia) want to maintain the status quo on the Korean peninsula. Both of them love to see whatever Kim is running NK at the moment to make provoking moves towards SK, Japan and the USA. They LOVE the angst and economic disruption these little episodes cause to their rivals. It is absolutely in the national interest of both countries to see this continue.
What neither of them wants and neither is probably prepared to do is to back up NK if they launch a nuclear attack.
So, there will be no nuclear attack coming from NK.
What we have to be concerned with is a US preemptive attack ordered by a president who is wholly unsuited to the office and has serious mental/emotional defects that might lead him to making rash decisions.
The simple answer is that North Korea should have been dealt with the moment it became a state. But hindsight is always 20/20.
Since then, the problem of North Korea has just gotten worse and worse, and there's never been an easy solution to it.
You can say you "blame Obama" (and another poster asked what you thought he should have done, and I'd frankly love to hear the answer), but it's not as if every single president between Obama and the formation of the DPRK couldn't have stepped in and done something. Nope, they all just kicked the can down the road, not wanting to take any major risks to address the problem.
It's unlikely, so far as I can tell, that Trump or any other leadership around the world will act any different. No one wants a war with North Korea, particularly the South Koreans and Japanese, the former of which has their capital within artillery range of North Korea.
Korea was a part of the Japanese empire from the early 1900's through WW2 when Japan's empire was dismantled. The US controlled the South and Russia controlled the North. Then came the Korean War which did not resolve anything beyond killing 2.5 million people. Russia ceded influence of North Korea to the Chinese.
The US installed capitalistic puppet dictators in South Korea and it prospered and evolved to a democracy.
The US backs South Korea by treaty and China has the back of North Korea with Russia in the shadows.
Every Admin has imposed sanction and reduction of sanctions no no avail.
Take the Korean middlemen out of this and it's the US vs China with influence by Russia. Guess the US could put sanctions on trade with China. That would come back and bite Boeing, GM, Apple, Nike, Gilette, Coke, Starbucks, Microsoft, KFC, Intel, McDonands and many, many more.
Going nuclear would result in the North taking out the South. 76 million lives at risk. Nothing in it for North Korea.
For much of my adult life, it's gone like this: North Korea does something provocative toward developing nuclear weapons and threatens to kill us all; we make some stern condemnations and create some sanctions.
Sanctions clearly do nothing. We've been sanctioning the hell out of these people and their nuclear program is doing great.
It's just frustrating to watch the rest of the world - strongly armed nuclear power - talk tough and sit around doing nothing but allow North Korea to advance their missile technology and become exponentially more dangerous.
Guess I just wonder...why does it have to be this way? Why does this impoverished group of thugs get to outsmart us and boss us around? Are we really that dumb to not have seen how all this would play out? Why don't we just cave and give them everything they want? Seems that's the path the world has chosen.
And yes, I do blame Obama for his share of doing nothing about this.
What happened? Did they do something that directly effects the US last night?
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