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Old 09-17-2017, 10:43 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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All personal attack as response. So you can't list any. I thought so.

China is a non-player in terms of offensive power and no match for the USA on the water, and no match against the USA & Russia in nuclear warfare.
The list you asked for is RIGHT HERE: https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...china/navy.htm

Click on the LINK. Every type of ship either in service or building or planned is listed, along with tonnage and number of existing and planned. Second largest navy in the world - and growing fast. I'm not about to list hundreds of ships because you are too lazy to click on a simple link.


If you're too lazy to do that, there's no hope for you.
If you don't WANT to be called "lazy", DON'T BE LAZY.
It's pretty simple.
It's right there.
I'm not going to spoon feed you, and I'm not going diaper you and power your *ss. Either look at the link listing all the assets of the Chinese navy or don't, but don't claim that I didn't provide it when you just didn't want to LOOK at it.


And sticking your fingers in your ears so you don't hear about China's growing navy is NOT going to prevent it from growing. YOU may wish to remain ignorant in that regard, but military analysts all around the world are taking note. China's growing navy is already a force to taken seriously - and getting stronger all the time.

Ken

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Old 09-17-2017, 11:02 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Try to understand what we are discussing here. Those million men in China are no threat to Japan, the USA or anyone else. They are defensive only. And in terms of delivering those nukes, China isn't even a match for the UK or France. Their delivery systems are 50 years behind the USA and Russia.
*SIGH*
You are obviously hopeless. He/She who REFUSES to learn will remain ignorant their entire lives.
There is NOTHING "defensive" about China's naval build up. A land-based power does NOT need aircraft carriers for "defensive" purposes. China has plans to build SIX - 4 of them the size of U.S. fleet carriers and 2 of those nuclear powered. Nuclear powered vessels are NOT "defensive". Nuclear power gives RANGE and RANGE is only needed if you are going "on the prowl" - NOT if you are staying close to home.
Likewise China has plans to build nearly 20 large amphibious ASSAULT ships (up from 4 they have right now). NO nation needs ASSAULT ships to DEFEND. ASSAULT ships are built for the purpose of ASSAULT ( ie INVASION). They serve no other purpose.
But, go right ahead. You sound just like those morons who claimed in 1941 that "the Japanese produce rice-paper airplanes and their bespectacled pilots can't see". How'd THAT turn on a sunny December morning in Hawaii?

China's military is growing fast, and they are growing it for a REASON. They aim to dominate the Pacific, and in order to do that, they need a powerful navy so they can project power where ever they want in the region.
I'm not afraid of China, but ANYONE who ignores their global military buildup - and especially their growing naval power - is either a FOOL or being paid by China to prowl the internet and spread Chinese propaganda.
Which are you?

Ken

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Old 09-17-2017, 11:18 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Saddam Hussein's military was ranked #4. What happened to it?
It didn't have the 2nd largest economy on earth and 1/4 of the worlds' population powering it.


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Old 09-17-2017, 11:22 AM
 
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*SIGH*
You are obviously hopeless. He/She who REFUSES to learn will remain ignorant their entire lives.
There is NOTHING "defensive" about China's naval building. A land-based power does NOT need aircraft carriers for "defensive" purposes. China has plans to build SIX - 4 of them the size of U.S. fleet carriers and 2 of those nuclear powered. Nuclear powered vessels are NOT "defensive". Nuclear power gives RANGE and RANGE is only needed if you are going "on the prowl" - NOT if you are staying close to home.
Likewise China has plans to build nearly 20 large amphibious ASSAULT ships (up from 4 they have right now). NO nation needs ASSAULT ships to DEFEND. ASSAULT ships are built for the purpose of ASSAULT ( ie INVASION(. They serve no other purpose.
But, go right ahead. You sound just like those morons who claimed in 1941 that "the Japanese produce rice-paper airplanes and their bespectacled pilots can see".
China's military is growing fast, and they are growing it for a REASON. They aim to dominate the Pacific, and in order to do that, they need a powerful navy so they can project power where ever they want in the region.
I'm not afraid of China, but ANYONE who ignores their global military buildup - and especially their growing naval power - is either a FOOL or being paid by China to prowl the internet and spread Chinese propaganda.
Which are you?

Ken
Honestly, who cares? I don't. Asia is not our backyard. What China does is their business. Just like what Europe does is their business. Our business extends to the rest of North America only. The Monroe Doctrine needs to be brought back
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Old 09-17-2017, 11:31 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Honestly, who cares? I don't. Asia is not our backyard. What China does is their business. Just like what Europe does is their business. Our business extends to the rest of North America only. The Monroe Doctrine needs to be brought back
You don't have to care. Just don't expect the U.S.A. to be able to compete with China on the Global market. And with the U.S. now out of the TPP, China has a free hand to economically dominate that resource-rich part of the world, and it will have the military muscle to back it up if things get "dicey".

Ken
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Old 09-17-2017, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Saddam Hussein's military was ranked #4.

It was ranked #4 in SIZE only, Kitty.

In terms of military power it wasn't even in the top 25. They had a bunch of poorly trained troops equipped with lotsa very obsolete Soviet bloc gear.

But it was certainly enough to fight Iran to a draw. Another country RWNJs obsess over.

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What happened to it?
Lotta bad stuff happened to 'em.

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Old 09-17-2017, 11:47 AM
 
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You don't have to care. Just don't expect the U.S.A. to be able to compete with China on the Global market. And with the U.S. now out of the TPP, China has a free hand to economically dominate that resource-rich part of the world, and it will have the military muscle to back it up if things get "dicey".

Ken
If the US can't compete on the global market with China, then that's not something bombs are going to fix. That's not even ethical anyway, and it's a throwback to colonial times
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Old 09-17-2017, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Honestly, who cares? I don't. Asia is not our backyard. What China does is their business. Just like what Europe does is their business. Our business extends to the rest of North America only. The Monroe Doctrine needs to be brought back
I don't care either honestly.

this said, can you imagine if America said what Japan does is their business during ww2? lol
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Old 09-17-2017, 11:54 AM
 
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I don't care either honestly.

this said, can you imagine if America said what Japan does is their business during ww2? lol
We did, until Japan attacked us. And Asia did not need our help. The Chinese were starting to eject Japan out of China by the time the US got involved. Just like in Europe, the US was late for the party, but Americans take credit for "winning" WWII when the bulk of the fighting was done by the locals
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Old 09-17-2017, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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We did, until Japan attacked us. And Asia did not need our help. The Chinese were starting to eject Japan out of China by the time the US got involved. Just like in Europe, the US was late for the party, but Americans take credit for "winning" WWII when the bulk of the fighting was done by the locals
well, if you really want to discuss this topic, then

The United States also had an obvious interest in these natural resources, and in response to to the Japanese aggression, the U.S. Congress placed restrictions on doing business with Japan. And, if that weren’t enough, Japanese assets in the United States were frozen.

So we did NOT completely stay out of it.

Now in term of China today, I don't care what they do over there. But let's not pretend China is completely innocent today. Stay out of it means stay out of it. (COMPLETELY) Let Asian countries figure things out, but I don't think it is completely possible.

China Hits Back at South Korea's THAAD Deployment Following North Korea's Latest ICBM Test Did china stay out of it? Nope
Did America stay out of it? Nope.

It is all about politics.
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