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April 19, 1995 - 168 people killed, more than 650 injured in Oklahoma City by truck bomb made of ammonium nitrate fertilizer, nitromethane, and diesel fuel mixture.
Oh we have our problems too, however you could add together everybody killed in terrorist attacks in the UK during the last 25 years together (including IRA attacks) and it still won't come anywhere near the amount of people shot to death in the US in just one year.
We use it as population control, or lowering the number for SS. Remember when Dick Cheney shot his hunting buddy in the face? Even our VP’s get involved.
Laws don't stop crime, and they weren't intended to. The criminal justice system was intended to punish lawbreakers. So why are we punishing law abiding citizens with laws that take away their right to protect their property? Their life?
If we are "punishing" anyone because they badly want the sort of weapons Paddock used to kill and maim so many people in short order, then maybe that punishment is appropriate for that sort of individual. Beats the sort of "punishment" Paddock decided to self-inflict on himself after the "punishment" he imposed on 59 dead and over 500 injured.
Just saying. Keep a close eye on someone who feels "punished" when they can't buy that sort of thing!
Time for me to apply some common sense myself now and move on to more productive use of my time today...
.... my reply to what you fed me before I spit it out.
Some people do that. When they can't refute what the Founding Fathers decided, they don't learn from that (as you said you wouldn't). They spit it out instead.
And despite their utter refusal to learn, they still have a vote.
Don't agree with the people of this country? Fine, talk to them and try to change their minds. Or, alternatively, move to a country where the govt has full authority to control the population's guns. Then you can experience first-hand the paradise you think this would create.
Or...
Use whatever opportunity to support those in Congress willing to ban such weapons, even though I have no illusions about any sort of paradise here or anywhere else. Fair?
Has anyone seen this article that says gun violence cost American tax payers 229 Billion dollars every year? No wonder they need go-fund-me accounts for victims including city law enforcement. Too bad we can't figure out away to give that tab to the NRA.
Laws will not prevent this kind of horrific act. The raging anti gun people do not care that legislation will not prevent it because the real motive is to punish law abiding gun owners. One of them actually admitted it to me on another forum. I tried to tell her that most violence with guns is not with rifles but handguns. You cannot reason with these people at all and there is no compromise.
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So clearly we need to reduce the handguns as well. Just because banning "assault" weapons didn't reduce gun violence doesn't mean we give up trying to figure out how to reduce gun violence. Sure, help suicidal people and victims of domestic violence and reduce domestic violence, but taking a whole range of options off the table ('pry my gun from my cold dead hands') is just as bad as proposing useless legislation -- in fact, it's worse. At least the useless legislation isn't going to result in someone getting killed. I'd rather have useless legislation that affects no one and does nothing than be shot. I'm pretty sure 585 people in Las Vegas on October 1 would agree with me, except 58 of them can't anymore.
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Affecting a large section of the population with "useless" legislation just to make other people feel better is unnecessarily oppressive in my book.
Its far easier to put restrictions on an inanimate object then to try and reform human behavior. There are plenty of crazy, violent, and criminally people in Europe just like here. What makes our situation 10 times worse is that "those people" have easy access to very dangerous weapons. There is a reason you can't buy military hardware like tanks and howitzers, or industrial grade acids or explosives. We know that if those items fall into the wrong hands it can be used to kill lots of people. This line of thinking needs to extend to include assault rifles and various semi-autos.
Some people do that. When they can't refute what the Founding Fathers decided, they don't learn from that (as you said you wouldn't). They spit it out instead.
And despite their utter refusal to learn, they still have a vote.
Sorry good sir. Seems you want to liken yourself to the founding fathers, but that too I'm not seeing...
I've learned a great deal about what our founding fathers did, their history, their time, that lead to our amazing good fortune to have the constitution and country we do. I have enjoyed digesting all that about our founding fathers and the history of this country. I've learned plenty that is part of why I have some of the opinions I do.
It's you I'm not learning much from. Your lesson I figuratively "spit out" in light of this modern day problem addressed in this thread, but I appreciate the exchange of opinion regardless. I know yours. You have mine.
Yes, because we all know that the NRA supports, and promotes illegally buying, and illegally using firearms. Where do these soccer mom's get their information? Oh yeah the DNC, and there mouthpiece the Media.
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