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Old 10-04-2017, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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If the United States didn't get involved in World War Two you'd be speaking German that's a fact. Who do you think supplied all the war materials? We cranked out 2711 "Liberty Ships" that sailed the Atlantic in convoys loaded with supplies. Many were sunk by U-boats. But the U-Boats couldn't keep up with the volume of ships being produced. Yamamoto knew the war was lost as soon as the first bombs were dropped on Pearl Harbor when he gave his "sleeping giant" speech. He knew of America's agricultural and industrial strength. "The Breadbasket of the World" No you are the one that is incapable of seeing the whole picture. The RAF did not defeat the Luftwaffe in 1940. If that were the case there would have been far fewer losses of B17's as they flew bombing missions over Germany. They were attacked constantly by Messerschmitt fighters until they were escorted by P51 Mustangs. My God where the hell have you learned your history?
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I'm not sure why people keep mentioning colour? The issue is the extraordinarily large amount of people that die from guns, whether black or white, besides even if you only counted 'white' people it would still be extraordinarily high. I have to log off, have a good afternoon.
Some in the US use colour to as a way to alleviate any responsibility for their country's poor standing, whether it's infant mortality rates, education rankings, or violence.

They often " remove " the stats to show that they themselves, aren't the problem, it's those " others ".

You see it often on City Data.

Think of it as a gated community mind trick. Everything is fine, because I'm safe...or think I am.
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:08 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Some in the US use colour to as a way to alleviate any responsibility for their country's poor standing, whether it's infant mortality rates, education rankings, or violence.

They often " remove " the stats to show that they themselves, aren't the problem, it's those " others ".
The FBI breaks down US violent crime statistics by race. So... Blacks' much higher violent crime rates are the FBI's fault for reporting the truth?
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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It most certainly is the single most important factor, and is one excellent measure of its value.


And the single most important factor in practically the entire rest of the world historically doing its damndest to get here.
Important for whom?

Economy is important, but so is quality of life. What good is it for the average citizen if most of the wealth stays at the top?
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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The FBI breaks down US violent crime statistics by race. So... Blacks' much higher violent crime rates are the FBI's fault for reporting the truth?
No, you missed my point.

It is important to identify where the problems are.

It is wrong to state that because the problem lies in a different segment of society, that it isn't a problem.

People DO THAT when they manipulate stats by removing certain segments to show that things " aren't that bad"

As said, you see it in this thread...basically saying it's a black problem, not my problem.
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:22 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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As an American I enjoy many freedoms because of guns.

Like....

the freedom to be shot and killed at work
the freedom to be shot and killed at school
the freedom to be shot and killed at a concert
the freedom to be shot and killed at the mall
the freedom to be shot and killed at in my car
the freedom to be shot and killed at church
the freedom to be shot and killed at a party
the freedom to be shot and killed by my neighbor
the freedom to be shot and killed by a gangbanger
the freedom to be shot and killed by the police
the freedom to be shot and killed by my co-worker
the freedom to be shot and killed by anyone with a mental illness

These are freedoms people in other countries wish they had.
Don't worry about Europe they do have freedoms you don't like the freedom to be raped and murdered without being able to adequately defend themselves.
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Central NJ and PA
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No, you missed my point.

It is important to identify where the problems are.

It is wrong to state that because the problem lies in a different segment of society, that it isn't a problem.

People DO THAT when they manipulate stats by removing certain segments to show that things " aren't that bad"

As said, you see it in this thread...basically saying it's a black problem, not my problem.

If you look at the comparison I did, you'll see that whites have a higher murder rate than the entire UK population, so in one sense you're correct. But at the same time, when you include the stats for black and Hispanics in the murder numbers, there's a jump from 1.4 murders per million, to 4.9 per million. That's a huge jump that can't be ignored. One thing is, though (and I'm guilty here, but I was curious), that the two issues should be separate. Inner city murder rates have pretty much nothing to do with Las Vegas (or San Bernardino, or Sandy Hook).
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:45 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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No, you missed my point.

It is important to identify where the problems are.

It is wrong to state that because the problem lies in a different segment of society, that it isn't a problem.
That's not what I've said.

Facts are facts. Just because you don't like them doesn't make them any less true. Why are Blacks much more likely to commit violent crimes (including violent gun crimes) than any other race/ethnicity?

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People DO THAT when they manipulate stats by removing certain segments to show that things " aren't that bad"

As said, you see it in this thread...basically saying it's a black problem, not my problem.
How is it not my problem? I've already posed the question... Since it's clearly NOT a gun problem but rather a problem with a certain demographic group being much more violent (in committing all violent crimes) than all the others, should we ban that demographic group from the US in order to reduce violent crime?
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:47 PM
 
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This should be quoted on every page of this and every other thread about American culture and society.

Thanks Marc.

Exactly. Selfishness and self-interest make the world go round. Without it there would be absolutely nothing at all except misery, deprivation, and uselessness. The magnificence of Capitalism is the economic manifestation of selfishness. If we look at the other side, the manifestation of collectivism is Communism. We see historically which philosophy created the world, and which one tried to destroy it.


Selfishness and self-interest is the essence and source of all goodness in the world.
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:49 PM
 
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Important for whom?

Economy is important, but so is quality of life. What good is it for the average citizen if most of the wealth stays at the top?
The wealth goes exactly where it should: to those who work hard, produce, create, and bring value to their own lives and the lives of others around them.


Wealth avoids those who live their lives waiting to die.
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