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Originally Posted by easthome
What has drunk drivers got to do with it?
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Because when you examine statistics that show homicide rates and by what implement... and try to run it as a public health argument... the reality of "gun violence" isn't as prevalent as the media and politicians want you to believe.
I'll post the facts again per the CDC if you'd like...
Homicide being the dying at the hands of another, the implement used is irrelevent.
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In 2015, 10,265 people died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes, accounting for nearly one-third (29%) of all traffic-related deaths in the United States.
Of the 1, 1,132 traffic deaths among children ages 0 to 14 years in 2015, 209 (16%) involved an alcohol-impaired driver.
In 2015, nearly 1.1 million drivers were arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol or narcotics.3 That’s one percent of the 111 million self-reported episodes of alcohol-impaired driving among U.S. adults each year.
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https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafe...factsheet.html
Regular car accidents despite the training wheels and good feels devices to help prevent death (air bags abs etc)
For regular incidents
POLICE-REPORTED MOTOR VEHICLE TRAFFIC CRASHES
Fatal .................................................. ....... 32,166
Injury .................................................. ....... 1,715,000
Property Damage Only ........................................... 4,548,000
Total .................................................. ..... 6,296,000
TRAFFIC CRASH VICTIMS Killed/Injured
Occupants .................................................. .. 23,695/2,230,000
Drivers........................................... ........... 17,466/1,605,000
Passengers .................................................. 6,158/624,000
Unknown .................................................. .. 71/1,000
Motorcyclists .................................................. 4,976/88,000
Nonoccupants ................................................. 6,421/125,000
Pedestrians .................................................. 5,376/70,000
Pedalcyclists ................................................. 818/45,000
Other/Unknown ............................................... 227/10,000
Total .................................................. ....... 35,092/2,443,000
Per the NHTSA... 2015
https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api...ication/812384
Firearm homicides
Number of deaths: 11,008
Firearm suicides
Number of deaths: 21,386
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm
Now here is where we can break down of those homicides, which are committed by police actions
Per bureau of justice report 2015
930 per year, or 1240 if assuming that nonreporting local agencies kill people at the same rate as reporting agencies.
11,008-930=10,078
11,008-1,240=9,768
9k/10k homicides committed. Of those that are committed, which are carried out by criminals with intent to kill, and which are carried out by those in defense of life and or property?
277 per the FBI UCR. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s..._2010-2014.xls
10,078-277=9,801
9,768-277=9,491
Ok, of the remaining deaths, how many are by negligent discharge (accidents) table 10 page 44 of CDC pdf research.
461 per CDC chart.
9,801-461=9,340
9,491-461=9,030
Let's add those figures up and divide by 2 since there are 2 figures per the Justice Department reportings.
9340+9030Ă·2=9,185.
An average of 9,185 deaths committed by criminals commissioning the use of a fire arm.
Leading causes of death per CDC
Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
Heart disease: 633,842
Cancer: 595,930
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 155,041
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 146,571
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 140,323
Alzheimer’s disease: 110,561
Diabetes: 79,535
Influenza and Pneumonia: 57,062
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 49,959
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 44,193
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
I don't see firearms there
Now let us go another step further because anti gun crowd likes to throw the whole
we need to protect the children!
926,240 abortions took place in the United States
Facts About Abortion: U.S. Abortion Statistics
Now I can't get the exact data from that number exactly the reasons for 926,240 abortions for that year...
I can sympathize with victims of rape... I can justify not having the means financially and emotionally and not wanting to be a single parent, but as a form of birth control because someone wants to jump from bed to bed...
Let's look at another killer in America shall we?
HIV/AIDS Number of HIV diagnoses: 39,513 (2015)
Per CDC.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/aids-hiv.htm
You are more at risk to catch an incurable disease, that can kill without treatment, by sleeping around, than you are by being shot.
But if we want to
protect the children
Let's look at the leading causes of child deaths shall we?
Children aged 1-4 years
Number of deaths: 3,830
Children aged 5-14 years
Number of deaths: 5,250
Reading the mortality charts...
Illness, motor vehicle accidents, drowning, poisoning, then suicide.
The chart and tables are a little odd as it goes 15-24...
Here's the chart.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr65/nvsr65_04.pdf
So if we want to be genuine in "saving the children" shouldn't abortion be stopped?
If we want to worry about risks to public health and safety, shouldn't those infected with HIV and AIDS be held criminally responsible for infecting people knowingly?
Do we ban leisure activities, sports activities, bad health practices (obesity sedentary lifestyles) and private vehicle ownership, drugs and alcohol?
With all of the other leading causes of death especially homicide, if we want to address dying at the hands of another whether intentionally, or unintentionally, why are we not focusing on DWI car accidents and recreational drug use?
I broke down the stats 9,185 deaths by a firearm with intent to kill/commissioned in criminal enterprise.
Why is the firearm considered so heinous when compared to
35,092 deaths reported for car accident fatalities
39,513 reported (keyword) biological weapons walking around hopping from bed to bed.
The CDC doesn't record medical error/malpractice John's Hopkins research suggests medical error fatality rate is to the tune of
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Analyzing medical death rate data over an eight-year period, Johns Hopkins patient safety experts have calculated that more than 250,000 deaths per year are due to medical error in the U.S.
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https://hub.jhu.edu/2016/05/03/medic...ause-of-death/
Whether due to misdiagnosis, communication errors, response/wait times or medicine/drug interactions.
But firearms are a significant rate, and super widespread at 9,185?
I smell a rat...
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