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Old 10-09-2017, 05:42 AM
 
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Where did that conclusion come from?

Did anyone actually dig deeper into this issue? Obviously, not too many.

This teen is back in school.

This teen is still sitting during the Pledge.

This teen has been sitting for years during the Pledge and the school system allowed the sitting.

From the Daily News:

"Administrators at the school had "recently been whipped into a frenzy" by the controversy caused by NFL players kneeling for the national anthem, according to the lawsuit. NFL players had recently taken action to protest some of President Trump's statements."
You have to remind them who is the boss now and then.
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Old 10-09-2017, 05:49 AM
 
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Where did that conclusion come from?

Did anyone actually dig deeper into this issue? Obviously, not too many.

This teen is back in school.

This teen is still sitting during the Pledge.

This teen has been sitting for years during the Pledge and the school system allowed the sitting.

From the Daily News:

"Administrators at the school had "recently been whipped into a frenzy" by the controversy caused by NFL players kneeling for the national anthem, according to the lawsuit. NFL players had recently taken action to protest some of President Trump's statements."
Precisely. The principal did not like the reason she gave for sitting. Political, which was also her right. She was under no obligation to state her reason to school staff.

Do you think if she had volunteered that standing for the pledge was against her religion, she would have been suspended? It sounds like this student also had other issues (texting), but the Principal went over the top using this issue with her based on what the NFL players are doing. Minors have the right to practice their religion, and right of free speech.

I worked in public schools in two states. One school district had a large number of JW Haitian students and staff. They never told us why they sat during the pledge, but we took it for granted it was probably based on their religion. Some teachers and aides would sit and do paperwork. JW consider pledging to a piece of cloth to be worshiping a false God. One teenage student, who was Wiccan, said the same.

If this principal was smart, he could have suspended her for violation of texting. It sounds to me that HE was trying to make a political statement with this. Very wrong.
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Old 10-09-2017, 05:49 AM
 
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??? Am I missing something? Where in that article does it say it's school policy, that she is a wanna be viral star or that she's done it hundreds of times?
You MIGHT be missing a lot.

"If the school rule says students have to stand for the P of L".

The article does NOT say one way or the other, so DON'T assume anything.

ALL articles do NOT write things that they don't like.

They leave out details and make a lot of assumptions.

They like to "frame" the story to fit their own beliefs.

Which is WHY the media has LOWER approval rating then even Congress.
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Old 10-09-2017, 05:53 AM
 
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I think freedom is being able to sit, kneel, stand in line for a beer, have a bowel movement on the toilet, or/and just be indifferent during the pledge. I think learning about one's country is far more useful than reciting incantations.
General, people "under the age of consent" do NOT get to do whatever they want.

By your thinking they can't even be made to attend school.

They should be able to "stand in line for a beer," drive at 10 years old, etc.
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Old 10-09-2017, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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She shouldn't get in trouble for sitting and other students shouldn't get in trouble for calling her mean names.
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Old 10-09-2017, 06:48 AM
 
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General, people "under the age of consent" do NOT get to do whatever they want.

By your thinking they can't even be made to attend school.

They should be able to "stand in line for a beer," drive at 10 years old, etc.
The courts have gave schools more leeway than others, but as already noted, the supreme court has ruled that a student does not have to stand.
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Old 10-09-2017, 08:56 AM
 
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You MIGHT be missing a lot.

"If the school rule says students have to stand for the P of L".

The article does NOT say one way or the other, so DON'T assume anything.

ALL articles do NOT write things that they don't like.

They leave out details and make a lot of assumptions.

They like to "frame" the story to fit their own beliefs.

Which is WHY the media has LOWER approval rating then even Congress.
Sounds like YOU are assuming things.
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Old 10-09-2017, 09:30 AM
 
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It's public school. That principal should have known better.
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Old 10-09-2017, 09:31 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Default Freedom of religion & politics in the public school

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General, people "under the age of consent" do NOT get to do whatever they want.

By your thinking they can't even be made to attend school.

They should be able to "stand in line for a beer," drive at 10 years old, etc.
These are all regulated by the individual states, as far as I know. All the states have compulsory school attendance laws. The legal age for drinking alcoholic beverages and for obtaining a learner's permit & then a driver's license - are also set by the individual states.

Teenagers assume rights gradually in the US, usually with their parents' advice & consent. The question of freedom of worship - or even freedom of political expression, if it comes to that; cannot be abridged by a public school - because it's an entity of the state. As long as the expression doesn't disturb the normal educational process of the school, there's no grounds to expel the student based solely on that activity.

& besides, the student in question is 17 years old. So she's in high school - these issues have likely been covered in civics or government class - & she was quoted as delivering an ideological critique of what the US flag stands for & whether it's measuring up to that standard. Based on that, it sounds like she understands the right of political expression pretty well.
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Old 10-09-2017, 09:32 AM
 
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He should try a Mexican school. Or maybe on line school.
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